Wow, doesn't feel like Warcraft anymore?

I imagine he’s squaring up with a Giant/windmill as we speak.

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Nope, never said that. Just agreed with the OP that the Tone of the game has changed.

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When you describe the game as “emasculated” reveals how sensitive you actually are fost.

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You REALLY need to do some research. Women have fought in wars since before Christ was born, many of them generals and naval commanders. It is only the myopic view of western civilization that put restrictions on women, keeping them in the kitchen and pregnant, holding down the home front while all the Mr Macho men went off to do battle. Does the name Joan d’Arc ring a bell? Or Bodica? There were even exceptions in the west. The Middle East and Asia didn’t seem to have a problem with it, going back as far as 13th century BCE.

So WoW having female military leaders fully integrates the concept “of the time period these games are based on,” IF one is over-laying reality time in this real world onto a fantasy time in a fantasy world. WoW’s depiction is well within acceptable parameters.

I’ll make your research as easy as possible: (just remove the x at the start of the link) xhttps://www.rejectedprincesses.com/women-in-combat

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There is a difference between Underworld and Twilight. I am more than capable of preferring one without feeling threatened by the other.

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If that was true you wouldn’t be lashing out on the forums at the “emasculation” because somewhere in WoW there are people who are trans and players have more customization options (something that people have been screaming for since vanilla).

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Thrashing out? I stated the game is being emasculated, which is a fair observation for numerous reasons.

Your response however, full of assumptions and insinuations, is consistent with someone actually feeling threatened.

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Except it isn’t as I’ve already pointed out.

As I said earlier: The projection is real.

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So much anger towards other players here. It’s the over disservice to the story that should be a source of outrage.

Instead of real fantasy or a fun plot line with several good B plots. We get unnecessarily convoluted and unfinished main stories. Shadowlands for example. We only knew that Angry Nipple man was bad, not his motivations or the real backstory of him. Shadowlands had the potential for being awesome lore wise. It had some good moments, but failed overall to deliver.

Be angry at the bag inventory bloat or be mad about wildly different qualities of race heritage quests. With Night Elves being a recent example of a swing and miss. Perhaps get upset that the currencies from previous content aren’t all BoA.

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This is spoken like someone who has never left western countries. The rest of the world doesn’t believe this horse**** and you should get out more. Do you want to know why Joan of Arc and Bodica are famous? Its because it was so rare for women to be involved in warfare aside from logistics and comfort roles. They are famous precisely because war is a male domain, so much so that our hormones and brains have evolved to compete in it.

So when blizzard decides, as the thematic introduction to their factions, to have the commanders be random women complete with grating voice lines, it stinks of political pandering and new-left religion. These kind of lies are so off putting its no wonder players aren’t connecting to the modern story. Its being written by religious weirdos who don’t care about being truthful to the world we live in (which is how we resonate with fantasy stories). There are plenty of ways to write compelling female characters in a war setting, you need look no further than Peter Jackson’s lord of the rings. That is how you have representation.

However replacing random rank and file soldiers with women is so dishonest that people feel theres something off, even if they aren’t conscious of it.

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That’s an interesting theory but there is no proof that it’s true. WOW is a 20 year old game in an industry where technology gets outdated very fast and there are 100s of new things coming along each year.

What sets WOW apart is that it’s still going after all this time.

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I think that goes to show the strength and resonance the founding material had on people. The dev team now is just clocking in 9-5 keeping less and less people on their hamster wheels.

I also think this is the case because of how many players WoD brought back due to the marketing of the expansion. Clearly there is an audience that wants what we were shown back then. Although WoD failed to retain people due to the content, it got them back for a short while.

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This image used to represent the franchise’s theme. I don’t think retail wow is anything close to this.

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There was also cover art that had a night elf and the time cards WoW sold featured one on the cover as well so this idea that WoW was always this hyper masculine thing was always the case is kind of ridiculous.

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I find some of the voice acting to be a bit welfare. Like they found random people off the street with little to no experience or passion for the job. A lot of cutscenes just hit you without warning after killing a boss or whatever and makes you think your computer has crashed. It just feels like the budget was very thin for dragonflight. It’s my 2nd least liked expansions after WoD, followed by shadowlands.

WoW started going down hill when they wanted to start eliminating masculinity. The death of Saurfang from the almighty empowered Sylvanas is a good example not limited to this though (great voice actor though).

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Rings of Power was fine and a show I enjoyed very much lol

How about 14 yrs of my 25 yr military career spent in Korea, Japan, Taiwan, the Philippines, Vietnam, Thailand, Australia, Pakistan, India? Or the time spent in Panama, Egypt, Italy, Germany, Turkey, Tunisia, Saudi Arabia, the UAE, Israel, and Lebanon? Not too mention England, France? Oops! I mentioned them, didn’t I?

You’re right on one point – Joan d’Arc and Bodica are famous because it was a rarity to find women in the forefront of battles. I covered that with “myopic view of western civilization.” Like I said, though … you REALLY need to do some research before you speak on an issue. Did you bother to check out that link? or do you just put blind faith and trust into what someone else has told you or taught you?

(BTW – You really need to recognize that there are folks who have a more far-reaching experience, knowledge, and understanding of things than you will ever have. I may be old, but I didn’t get to this ripe old age by sitting on my backside and ignoring the world and what goes on in it.)

Again, women as warriors (even a warchief) is NOT a new concept. It’s been around for nearly 4,000 years. Just because western civilization made up new rules doesn’t negate the history of women in combat in other parts of the world. Bliz’s treatment of women as combat-capable is wholly understandable from a world-view perspective.

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This thread is the meme where you say you like waffles more than pancakes and half the internet comes back and says why do you hate pancakes.

Y’all should be ashamed of yourselves. It’s laughable that any and every opinion is treated that way almost immediately.

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:+1: The very structure of the sentence shows that the speaker/writer likes both waffles AND pancakes, but simply likes waffles more than pancakes. That does NOT equate to the speaker/writer hating pancakes. Unless there’s a lack of comprehension or hidden agenda behind the retort …

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I think it’s a product of not enough people getting their teeth knocked in because they can sit at their keyboard and never have to face the consequences of their actions.

All types of people with all types of opinions can feel insulated and never have to have any skin in the game so they type whatever they want, whenever they want.

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