Sorry but no, players can perform the exact same sequence of events with the exact same timings and get different results. That is not consistency. Reducing the batching window will significantly improve that.
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LOL…
Thanks for linking that for me! Now, read the very next sentence:
“The more we tried to let it be a damage negater, the harder time we had letting it guarantee stealth.”
But I guess you think the words “we tried” don’t imply intent?
That’s some hard copium.
Let’s read this again, shall we?
The ability
was never
designed to work that way.
The ability was never designed to work that way. That means from the initial design standpoint (VANILLA), IT WAS NEVER DESIGNED TO WORK THAT WAY. The following sentence says the more we tried to let it be a damage negater, as in AFTER it was designed.
Oh yeah “and never was going to work that way very well”
So much for it being skill based and not RNG.
The very next sentence contradicts that. “We tried to let it be a damage negater”
So for TBC and WotLK, two entire expansions, one of them which is coming shortly to classic, it was their intent to allow Rogues to dodge incoming spells with vanish.
But as I already said, vanish isn’t even the point. You are just fixating on one example due to your Rogue hatred.
Shadowmeld was given a similar behavior in WotLK, intentionally. And Shadowmeld kept that behavior even after Vanish was changed.
And of course there are other intentional batching plays in vanilla PvP, such as a Warlock using Hellfire to break incoming CC.
Goalposts moving quickly! You’re fine with them removing that functionality from Classic Vanilla then? Didn’t seem to be that way earlier…
These Vanish posts were made towards the end of WoTLK. You have no idea if they were making changes to the ability during TBC to do what you’re saying.
Actually, you don’t even know if he was speaking about internal tests with the ability or live tests. From the wording, it seems like internal tests.
[citation needed]
I am explicitly against removing functionality from classic vanilla.
400ms batch is authentic to original vanilla. I am opposed to changing that arbitrarily to the current retail behavior which is nothing like how vanilla WoW actually was.
Got any more false claims I can pick apart or are you done now?
He explicitly said that after the original behavior was discovered and started being intentionally used by players, they tried to preserve the interaction as a way to negate incoming spells, and only after several expansions did they change it to always guarantee stealth instead of negating spells, based on the feedback of “my vanish didn’t work” QQ posts
You are the one explicitly arguing for changes to classic WoW that make it work and behave very differently than the way it did in the vanilla era
I’m not arguing for anything, it’s already happening. You on the other hand have your work cut out for you. Watch, I’m going to leave this thread and never post in it again because I’m confident there’s zero chance you’re going to convince Blizzard to reverse their incoming decision.
OK, bye.
Don’t come back here crying when Rogues start restealthing in your face with Improved Gouge talent and there’s nothing at all you can do about it due to this “improvement” to the game.
I am on the record pointing out ways in which this is a bad idea made to score cheap “look, we’re listening to feedback!” brownie points with ignorant, screaming/crying players who don’t even understand the consequences of what they have asked for.
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Oh no we understand exactly what we’re asking for. An improvement to how pretty much every interaction in game works.
Like I said, don’t come back here crying when Rogues start restealthing in your face with Improved Gouge
I don’t pvp enough or take it seriously enough when I do to care. I’ll happily take everything in the game feeling more responsive.
OK
When other players on this forums start making QQ threads about Rogues restealthing in their face, I’m going to link them to this thread so that they know breaking PvP balance is worth it to you in order to have more responsive feeling vendors
That’s cute you think batching only affects pvp and vendors.
And yes I consider that more important than trying preserve a handful of pvp gimmicks.
I’ve raised many points in this thread about the impact on PvE lol
If you didn’t read them you have only yourself to blame. You are the one who has become hyperfixated on vanish behavior and keeps bringing up that it is a “gimmick” (even though you “don’t care about PvP”) when it’s only one example…
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