WoW Classic Era - PvP Realm Layer Behavior Change

How will this work for Durotar/Elwynn which will inevitably be faction imbalanced? Will this introduce more aggressive layering than required?

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Elaborate on some of the things I have claimed that were not true. A few examples

Because I donā€™t want to. I play ele because of my BG team. Which btw, when I see you, whatever team youā€™re on - we are going to cap 2 flags and roof you every game until you afk out. If it takes 10 hours thatā€™s fine- you already know I will.

I donā€™t know why I even entertain your last troll edit. You are literally so irrelevant youā€™re going to be a no factor on my server regardless.

And yes, I will be roofing you every game I see you.

I donā€™t have to. All they need to do is browse through your forums history.

You donā€™t fool me.

Did I cause a blood vessel to snap? Sorry for speaking the truth.

Because you know itā€™s true. Itā€™s hardly trolling if I manage to get a griefer to admit his true intentions on the forums. See you in pvp.

ā€œTrust me broā€

No, half the fun of the game is trolling my haters.

You will be AFKing out of every single BG you see me in. For my enjoyment.

You are well aware I do this.

Oh yes, we will be seeing each other.

No thank you.

You literally just admitted to griefing :rofl:. This is one of the reason why this layering update is necessary.

@Lazarak I invite you to try. It is really something you have to hide behind a premade that carries you. I find it extremely hillarious. Never once have I seen your shaman tried to fight someone 1v1 in a BG or in the open world as aā€¦ excuse me ā€œMeta Classā€? is that what you zug zugs on Horde side call it these days?

I donā€™t need to grief. If you donā€™t want to pvp donā€™t roll pvp server. But if you do, believe me I will be there.

You havenā€™t forgotten about me in over 5 years, and you are still seething with rage over me.

Believe I am going to add another 5 years to your scrapbook.

See you on fresh

You donā€™t ā€œhave toā€ because it comes so naturally to you its almost like killing mobs on a PVE server.

The difference between you and me is you rely on your team to be competent in pvp. I can be competent in both solo and group.

What can I say? I just love Vanilla. Sounds like you need some love in your life, bro.

What? No hugs and kisses? :kiss:

Iā€™m staying on the real Azeroth. Classic Era.

Bro thats like saying play ā€œFeralā€ in SODā€¦ Its the worse spec in the game why the hell would anyone play the worse spec on purpose?

Good dodge.

I donā€™t blame you

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So the thing with players like Lazarak, is his side of the faction (and the commmunity teen edge-lords like him - and this isnā€™t an insult or judgement, it is a fact) is they suffer from groupthink mentality that if a class has OP racials, and a 1 shot button macro enabled, it is a meta.

The truth is, enhancement shaman well played is very near unbeatable in 1v1 and can be good even in a semi-competitive warsong gulch. Just donā€™t tell Lazarak i told you this :shushing_face: he might come with death and camping threats against me again

How does it feel to play on something that just dies off after 5 months? You are just going to come crawling back to era at the end of the day and we are going to look at each other in BGā€™s 5 -12 months later attempting to touch each other with wrath, starfire, lightning bolts and elemental mastery. How does that make you feel. Excited?

God knows how much cope is needed to play on a server that is going to die off only to come back to the original realms once said server dies off.

This is why I play. Cause suckers like you still write hate encyclopedias about me half a decade later.

Iā€™m winning. You are giving me all of your energy and attention

How will this impact situations where we want to come aid friends or guild members on a different layer?

A lot of the most fun and memorable world PvP encounters happen organically this way with both factions calling to arms in LFG, Trade, Guild Chat, etc. and having people log in, fly over, and brawl

At least with the current system we can dynamically group up or down and most of the time get people into the same layer, but if now we have to deal with even more complications with layer cooldowns, zone limits, etc. that sounds absolutely awful

If we want more world PvP with less ways to avoid it, the ideal solution as others have mentioned would be NO layers, not increasingly complex layering mechanics

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Bite-sized snippets, are the meta these days if thatā€™s the only language you can comprehend.

The true authentic vanilla experience deserves all my energy and attention. And that is not PhReSh. And certainly not you. :nauseated_face:

pvp is gonna happen on pvp server and there is no way to escape from it :smiley:

j/k terrible change lol layers on classic are going to be a mess , cant wait to see blizz removing this crap this before the week ends

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Harassed players buckle in.

You can no longer change layer to avoid server guild bullies.

I canā€™t wait for this to backfire like Nazjatar layer bombingā€¦

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Sure. But also, no.

Layer hopping avoids unilateral harassment, not PvP. Thatā€™s the problem with faction balance. When balance ACTUALLY exists, players are highly skeptical about who and when to attack, because itā€™s often not worth starting a war when you have other goals to accomplish in the zone.

When balance does not exist, through sheer force of numbers or gear disparity, PvP quickly turns into players just bullying the other faction out entirely to maintain faction asymmetry. (Gear disparity not addressed btw, so it will almost always be 100 rats versus 100 guild members.)

This will backfire.

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Please disable the CD when youā€™re in a major city. Nothing worse than trying to buy or sell stuff in trade and not being able to layer swap.

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Yo so since the vanilla Andies are being a bunch of whinging doomposters can we just scrap these fresh servers and launch some fresh bc classic servers instead. I mean it seems pretty clear this project is dead effort anyways given the responses.

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The slow erosion of the World Feel ā€¦Wow brings as an MMO is what makes it popular. You can solo play TWW and thatā€™s fine. But classic Wow forced people to talk, to band together and overcome grievers. It made it a realm where people were thankful to those who pvpā€™d to defend their faction. Pvpers, appreciated PVEā€™rs who helped them get certain slot items that were BIS for PVP. Problems help shape and create the world. Fixing all of the problems for ticket spammers is what Kills the world. Let the players, playing, and living in the MMO figure it out. Keep the realms balanced. Players will figure it out . Forgive my rant. I miss the world feel of wow.

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I can get behind this 100%. It also gimps selling enchants/water/portals, etc.