They called it a server option though. If it was being treated as anything but they would have it worded it as such.
This was most of the reasoning behind the speculation that the subs would be combined.
Also the “we dont want to manage 2 mmo’s” line.
Which now we gave rumblings of a diablo mmo. LOL.
Wonder how they will get the wow client and server to read d2 data. ![:smiley:](https://d38bqls1q93fod.cloudfront.net/en/wow/images/emoji/twitter/smiley.png?v=6" ":smiley:")
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Player base speculation is speculation. Not saying it’s wrong in the end, just speculation. Interpret what was presented however you want. That very well may have been their leaning the whole time, but if they knew a year ago, I think they would have announced the price at Blizzcon 2017, but I doubt the knew or were even considering the cost until a few months ago.
As for the Diablo MMO possibility, I didn’t bring it up. I don’t know. I’m pretty sure it would have it’s own server set. You know like a Diablo Server option. Oh wait, does that mean Diablo would be free with a WoW sub too? Joking obviously. I really would prefer Blizzard to not turn all their IPs into MMOs.
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I REALLY wanted a Starcraft MMO, just because I think that universe would be ripe for it, but I don’t think it’s really possible at this point.
Again, I don’t expect you or anyone else to do anything except what they think is best for themselves. If you believe people will not engage with me, feel free.
What I want you to have fun with is playing World of Warcraft, be it Retail, Classic, or whatever it is you’re interested in. What I expect is that people will find reasons not to have their fun, or be willing to pay to have fun. For some, that’s the “Wall of No” and their fear of trolls.
I want everyone to play Classic, for my own reasons. Blizzard has their own reasons (profit and accessibility), and a long history that they’ve drawn on to come to the conclusion how their business model has succeeded.
If, and only if you want to hear that, here’s Mike Morhaime at GDC 2007 (after TBC launch) going over what he learned from making Warcraft, Diablo, and Vanilla World of Warcraft: https://youtu.be/UlIYRPQwTr8
IMO if you play retail, with how often they kill of important lore characters and the fact we’ve been to other space and went to many different planets in the legion invasions, i honestly wouldn’t be surprised if a cross over happens. For example i wouldn’t be surprised if it was a Xel’naga that told Vol’jin to make Sylvanas Warchief. Blizzard’s writing has gotten that bad.
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Well the Nexus is a convergence of all blizz IP’s basically into the same multiverse. So really that lore is already in place. Lol
Edit Ty HoTs
inb4 they turn WoW off Diablo 4 is code for “Blizzverse” and it’s 1 MMO of all their IPs.
That would actually be interesting if they made the factions the different IPs. I would at least give it a try.
Or would it be more interesting of like minded characters from all the IPs sided together?
I think it would be more interesting to let you chose between good an evil from any race. The balancing would be horrendous though.
I mean think about it. Terran Marine and Orc Warrior vs Zerg something or other and an Angelic Paladin.
I think you’d see factions of like-minded characters. I could see Tyrael getting along with Turalyon and a lot of the Paladins of Warcraft.
It’d require some serious writing chops and balance that I’m not sure Blizzard would be up to, but it would be interesting if nothing else to see.
I guess people want the old version of the game, but old cost isn’t fair now? Because the game is static? I thought they wanted it static? No box cost this time around either.
This thread is a dumpster fire and the classic fanbase is embarrassing itself over $13/month.
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Yeah, how dare people have a different sense of value with their money and want an option to get only what they want.
#sarcasm
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I have no problem with it being $15/month. Nor do I have a problem with it being attached to retail. My primary concern is that Blizzard will make decisions based on profitability over product.
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I agree.
Then they wonder why devs won’t take the player base seriously. Threads like this are why.
Player base: we want Vanilla! Just vanilla!
Blizz: ok costs $15 a month.
A few of the player base: But it’s no new content. It’s not worth $15 a month.
What? We Just begged for 10 long years. Fighting trolls, climbing walls of no, and then when the “war” is won and we’ve sacrificed so much…they can’t sacrifice $15 a month because retail has cooties?
Lmfao. Stereotypical whiny wow player…
Think of all the brave forum warriors who took an arrow to the knee for this to be possible.
That alone should be worth 6 months of subbing to everyone.
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Reasonable suspicion in certain ways.
The only thing we can do trust them I guess.
It could change tho. If crap like sharding is in and more than starter zones? I’m probably out after the re-up comes.
The business model worked then, and Blizzard is betting that it works now. How dare a business ask for money for goods or service?
It’s certainly not more than the cost it was before. And they’re certainly not giving less this time around.
Lots of people tried to equate this to food, hence my constant use of the “vanilla shake” metaphor, but this isn’t a restaurant - this isn’t “made to order.”
Otherwise, you can easily try argue that WoW should be buy to play, or even free to play. The likelihood of this ever happening is low at this point. But even Blizzard is open to the idea of a free to play model (and all the microtransaction possibilities that come with).
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It’s pointless to argue with Velossena Manzo,their stubborn petty behavior has nothing to do with working business or with tight costs, and everything to do with they don’t want to spend $15 for any reason.
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I do love that you think I should be embarrassed about anything.
I’m not sure what your pointing out here… I’ve never once said Classic should be free or Blizzard shouldn’t charge for it. Asking for an option to pay for only what I want and not have something else that I don’t want attached to it, is not asking for something for free.
Never said it was. Also never said they were.
Pretty much every restaurant in the existence of ever will make something the way the customer asks as long as it’s within reason because it ensures repeat business. I don’t think asking for additional options such as a classic only option while letting modern players still have access to both for 1 sub is unreasonable.
Still not sure when I ever advocated Classic be free, but you do you.
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I know you wouldn’t know this, but I pay $15 a month for FFXIV. So your argument about what I will and won’t pay for at what price is invalid.
This is not a restaurant. This isn’t made to order. The basic package is the base, it’s built up, not stripped down.
You advocated a different business model. I told you that Blizzard was open to free to play, because they actually said the words “free to play” and you interpreted that as me saying you wanted it for free.
Any change to the business model is no small decision. And again, the reason why Blizzard will not deviate from this course of action of having both on a single sub is simply that Blizzard does not want to compete with itself.
A Classic-only option that in any way costs less than retail is a deviation in the business model that will ultimately hurt Blizzard’s bottom line.
There are players who are playing Retail who will be happy paying a lower cost to play Classic if that is the case, and for every retail sub, Classic is going to have to make up with even more player subs. And no, you won’t tell me that there aren’t players now who would be happy playing Classic if it meant paying less to be on a live Blizzard server, regardless if it’s Classic or Retail.
This is simple math. What number would you be happy with for Retail? 10 a month? 13? Any number will have a tremendous effect.
Let’s go with 10 a month. And let’s say 100,000 retail players leave Retail to play Classic only because of the lower price point. Blizzard’s monthly income has dropped from 1,500,000 to 1,000,000 for those 100,000 players. That means that Classic has to bring in 50,000 more players at 10 per month in order for Blizz to “break even” in terms of their income vs. what they lose in creating a separate Classic-only sub.
If you want a Classic-only option, then it has to be the same as retail for Blizzard to not have “self-competition.” But if it’s the same price, why bother paying separately?
You want a different price? Convince Blizzard that even more players will join if the price is lower because of your assertions. Convince Blizzard that it’s worth hurting themselves.
They’ve already said they don’t care if 10,000 people play Classic or 10 people play. This is why the business model is this way. Convince them otherwise.
There’s people willing to pay a lot more than that for a Classic-only sub, too. And there’s plenty more reasons why that won’t happen, either.
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