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Oh, stop it. There’s as much of the Retail crowd is as invested in Classic as you are. This whole “victim” card you’re playing is going to fall on deaf ears with the retail crowd.

You say “Wall of No”, I will just point at “Project 60” as your public perception of your vaunted “Classic Community” - because Project 60 is in support of Classic - and these are the people who want to play with you and your community.

You might not know any Twitch streamers, but they are the public presence of your Classic community on live retail- and they are toxic, and trollish. And they have done exactly what the “Classic community” of non-active players say that Retail players will do to your Classic servers.

Guess what? The Classic community is held up by people who encourage harassment. The streamers (and the video below is of the largest WoW streamer on Twitch, among others) are supported by a ton of people with extra cash to keep them playing. They aren’t going to have ANY problems paying for a separate box and sub, and they are the type of people that you want to try and keep out.

https://youtu.be/DUt8JVE-Ve0 - here is one of the people who heralded “Project 60”, actively trolling and harassing people on a live RP server.

Do you think that attitude has changed since 2013? No. Project 60 was created with the intent to “relive the Vanilla leveling experience” on a live server in preparation for Classic, and they picked a Roleplaying realm, and guess what. It exploded trolling and harassment on the realms they did this project on.

www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/7dhnlu/project_60_has_exploded_harassment_on_moon_guard/

All of this talk of “separate subs” isn’t going to keep out trolls. In fact, because of Project 60, there’s plenty of people who think the trolls are going to be happy going to Classic.

You can tell me that people like this don’t speak for you, but there you have it. Those are some of the people who you are looking forward to playing with, the very same kind of people many of you are so afraid, doing exactly what you don’t want happening to your Classic servers.

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Sure you can pay for classic but you get retail free.
You can even go troll retail players because some words on a forum have been hurting your feels for a decade.
You don’t need a seperate sub. You need to unplug your pc and go find some people in your local area to interact with.
Call it a quest.
Go visit 5 friends or family memebers today.
We can even make it a daily repeatable quest.

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Well the people whom are currently not subbed seem to be significantly more civil than those who are so actually it seems to be having the reverse effect were subs encourage toxicity.

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Yet these unsubbed folks speak about the “Classic community” when the issue is that they don’t know who is actually in “their” community. They assume that everyone interested in Classic is civil, or on the same page, yet here I am, talking about the largest community of active “influencers” for WoW - and they are followed by a toxic playerbase.

The organizers of Project 60 have all played the WoW Classic Demo, and are making preparations for the move to Classic. And again, they are streamers, who make money from streaming - their fans quite literally give them money directly - and as such, a separate sub and box cost is not going to keep them out. The streamers have the funds, and their fanbases have enough liquid assets to gift them such things, and there’s plenty of them to go around (enough that they’ve crashed low-pop retail servers by all rolling on the same one.)

www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/7fa36m/project_70_crashing_sisters_of_elune/

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Do you deny that the vast majority of, if not all of the wallofno posters are current subs? Do you deny that those are the ones about to be gifted classic? NOWHERE did I claim that all retail were trolls or that all non subs were non-trolls.

I fail to see what you posting about a group that I have never heard of much less am a part of or support have a shred of anything to do with my argument.

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That might be difficult, with each expansion they reduce the ability to generate cash from previous expansions, so that the current expansion is the only viable option if you want to do it quickly.

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“They don’t speak for me.” I did mention this before. Again, you might be ignorant of who those people are, but Blizzard certainly isn’t ignorant of them (Ythsiens, our CM, posted in the very Reddit thread I posted), and one of the streamers I mentioned is watched by Blizzard themselves, as evidenced here: www.reddit.com/r/LivestreamFail/comments/8wvvnl/asmongold_talks_to_a_gm_in_wow/ - this is one of the streamers, and a Blizzard GM responds to him in realtime as his stream is live.

These are people who have been talking about Classic in a highly visible medium. They are the most publicly accessible face of Classic. If you’re ignorant of them, that’s fine. But I am aware of them, Blizzard is as well, and your standpoint is greatly diminished because of their presence.

Quite literally, all you have is the “forum” posters to create whatever counter-argument you have, who may or may not be as active, or who can actually do anything. There are more people looking to be involved in Classic than you realize (again, you said it yourself, you’ve never heard of them). I’m telling you about them, I’m telling you how people have received them, and I’m telling you why your argument is far shallower because of them.

See, your entire argument is based around “Well, we’re the people who’ve lobbied for ten years for this!” when there’s clearly more people with much more presence who are involved in the discussion. Your arguments are about “Community” - but it seems like you aren’t aware of more than just your section of the community.

We’ll go right back to Blizzard’s Vanilla design on why the streamers are important to Blizzard. The donut of Blizzard design. In the center are “influencers” - the people who casual players listen to. These streamers clearly have influence, and those are the players that Blizzard wants to hook. And if they’re looking forward to Classic, they’re going to bring their fans with them. And since they’re current subs, you can easily see where that’s going.

And you go on about the “Wall of No” - but where are they now? You won, you’re getting your Legacy WoW. Now what? People want a separate sub in order to deny people you disagreed with before, instead of deciding what you’re going to do moving forward.

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A separate sub does nothing of the sort. It simply reflects a desire for a sub fee for classic alone at a lesser cost more applicable for an old static game, a game completely separate from current retail. You and others have this really annoying thing where you twist whatever you read and spit it out in a state that reflects your agenda.

By the by, while on the throne a short while ago, I saw a thread on reddit about project 60. I could give a rat’s haunch what some streamers did, but it appears that the group was formed with a vision of simply not leveling past L60, and tackling existing content at that level. Is this something you have an issue with? Or are you angry that a streamer(s) got their followers to sabotage servers? It sounds akin to being angry at peaceful protesters because skinheads or antifa swooped in and used it as an excuse to act badly.

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Currently they are trolling classic forums with calls for changes. No doubt since there is no paywall between them and classic they will freely troll classic in-game when they grow bored of BFA or are in a “content drought”. :brain:

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BW is that you?

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LOL.
You must be new round these parts.

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It’s annoying when people say two things, when they are also talking about something else. There’s many reasons why people want a separate sub - either because it’s less of a cost to those players, or a lot of them are loathe to share space with retail players that they clearly have an issue with.

The issue again, is that Blizzard still has a bottom line, which has been a rather big debate as of late with Diablo Immortal, etc. Again, the business will suffer if Classic has a lower sub amount that isn’t equal or shared with Retail.

Blizzard’s business model led us to where we are now - with Classic being bundled with the Retail sub. Or again, there’s plenty of precedence, from Starcraft to Starcraft 2, to Destiny 2, for why that is the case.

Is that what “Wall of No” trolls look like to you? Man, I wish I had your problems with other players. These are much easier to manage than Project 60’s Classic hype fans crashing servers or actually trolling in-game. Sounds like you got it easy.

We had your Project 60 Classic trolls claiming that they owned my server when they moved there. I’m not exactly feeling any pity for you having to deal with people asking for QoL changes.

Again, what are you going to do now that they have free access? So far, the only solution presented is asking for a separate sub, or a separate box cost to ‘unlock’ Classic.

The easiest solution is to just keep telling people why those changes aren’t going to happen. Everyone is going to get to play Classic. That means you have to deal with trolls, and griefers, and everyone else that comes naturally as part of an MMO. I’ve outlined one such group.

Who cares why they did it? The fact is simply that they did it. Who cares if there’s “Wall of No” trolls or simply trolls? You have a very specific issue with retail players who were part of “Wall of No.”

I don’t have any issues with Project 60 as a concept - it is not like there aren’t guilds who are specifically recruiting for old content with the intention of being locked to that level range. We actually tried to be welcoming to them, but they acted unkind.

The issue here is that people here have issues because of “Wall of No” and are looking to block them, by blocking everyone with a paywall. And they’re angry, and I’ve even seen the word “Resent” used.

“In fact I want to have absolutely nothing to do with Legion/BFA and would not care if it died in a fire. What I do resent is those who have supported the decline of WoW for 14 years and as evidenced by the GD forum despise classic, attempting to justify getting classic for no additional cost, while those who have lobbied for it for over 10 years have to pay. I am happy to pay a separate subscription for Classic, full stop.”

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most of who are not going to waste theri time or HD space on Classic, do you plan on doing the same to current WoW since you also get ‘free’ access with your WoW sub?

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They would absolutely do it during “content droughts”. Suggesting that someone would be hesitant to download something a fraction of the size of their prefered games is absurd, much less “most of”, especially with download speeds and how cheap gigs of space are these days.

As for would I do likewise with retail?
Of course not. Classic doesn’t have “content droughts”.

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I’m down for that. I like meeting new people, helping out newbs or tourists. Vanilla was a revolving door of new people coming in, and a few people leaving, and you will not ever convince me otherwise that was not the case.

Classic doesn’t have content droughts? Doesn’t sound like that is the case, as many of the players here are asking for “seasons” where players are reset and start the journey all over again. You know, they’re excited for a “Fresh server” to play all over again.

“What are you going to do in three years without resetting your progress?”

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We called those people server locusts. It was the drive to get server firsts that motivated people to server hop like that, not because there was new different content on the servers they moved to. There was no content drought in vanilla, just locusts and blizzard opening new fresh servers for them to feed on.

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Do you ever actually shop at antique stores?

Bargaining is a huge part of the fun there, everything is intentionally overpriced and if you actually pay the price on the tag you are a fool.

For instance, I wanted a professor’s desk in an antique store priced at $250, I payed $75

Maybe try an analogue a little less cloudy?

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Not even talking about the “Server first crowd” which wasn’t as big a thing as you say, since achievements and such weren’t a thing until the tail end of TBC.

No, we’re talking about the finite amount of content in Vanilla. Your private server crowd went through the content, and many of them are used to “starting fresh” with a new server every so often, and they have hopes of starting new every so often to keep their interest. They even talk about the hopes of “seasons” where everyone resets and starts off on the same page.

Vanilla had no content droughts, because they were working on new content. Classic, on the other hand,is limited to the old content, and there WILL be content drought, at one point or another.

Maybe at the end of the life cycle? It does depend on how Blizz releases the patch content. Well, strike that, we do know that they have content buckets, but there’s only four of those laid out.

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Sorry, but you are not going to convince me that those apples are oranges.

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Think of what the current sub fee includes for you, at no additional premium:

  • The current game up to the last expansion
  • Soon, Classic WoW

Sure the first one is heavily altered by all expansions since Vanilla, but if BfA isn’t completely your jam, you still have up to Legion content. When that gets tedious (ironic for follow-up reference) you can jump over to classic and grind through Red Ridge and accidentally go to Searing Gorge to get one-shot. :slight_smile:

All of this action for the same fee it has been since inception; but now with a ton of content for either type of player!