P2W means you HAVE to use real world currency to buy player power that you cant get in game by playing normally.
Imagine you buy 1,000,000 gold for an item but your item never drops. P2W games arent like that, you buy the items directly from the shops with real currency, not in game gold.
Perfect example is World OF Tanks, all tanks use regular ammo, however you can buy Gold Ammo for real money, the gold ammo is far better than regular ammo.
So a person who doesnt spend money on the game will never match the player power of someone who does, since your tanks ammo will never be as good as someone who spent real money.
Youre not using the phrase right which is basically saying all mmos are p2w.
HR runs arent randomized, youre taking an item for yourself, the item isnt being distributed, it contradicts what you said.
It cuts no corners, you still have to kill the boss just like any other raid using any loot setting.
Also bringing up buying gold is kind of odd considering yall are buying massive amounts of gold anyway, look at SOD.
We did last time around.
It just seems so meaningless to make new HC servers and then NOT progress them into BC. It seems they only made this server to feed players into fresh Classic → BC – to make fresh look more successful. I know that while most HC players do transfer some of their dead HC’s to Era, none really plays there, but instead go again in HC
Turning your currency into Gold, then buying an item is the same thing. smfh…
Right, but that’s how GDKPs go around the system to artificially create a pay2win structure.
Perfect example is GDKP in World of Warcraft, where if you want Gold or an item you can spend your currency and have Gold you then use to purchase what you want. Its the same process as World of Tanks ammo can but with one extra step involved.
Being that phases only last so long, this is also true with WoW where some people may never see a certain item their entire play through due to the droip rate and other people’s chances to out roll them on that item.
No you’re trying to explain how your Pay2Win is not Pay2Win when it is… haha this is hilarious…
You accepted the terms if you join a HR group, just don’t pay Gold which can be bought with money which also increases the botting problem and screws the economy up little by little as the server progresses. Or Play on Asian servers. have Fun!
It cuts the corner of potentially spending actual currency as a tool and a means to get things you may never get otherwise. Why else pay for it if you think you’d get it naturally?
I am absolutely not buying gold, Im not playing SoD.
Read what you quoted again, you missed the part where it said you HAVE to spend real life currency.
Imagine you buy gold for say Band of Accuria, week after week it doesnt drop, then finally week 4 it does and you buy it.
Sorry but weeks 1-4 thousands of players all got it for free, you see how you didnt need to spend real money and how even if you did spend real money you gained no player power over the thousands of people who got it for free before you?
You just look stupid because you paid real money for something thousands of people got for free before you.
#Winning!
Again not what p2w means. IF you think this is p2w then literally every mmo is p2w.
Not even close to the same thing, you buy an item in wow your item is the same power as the person who got it for free.
Your band of Accuria is no different from anyone else, you just paid gold for it and they got it for free.
It isnt my p2w, what does this even mean?
You seem very uninformed on how anything works, especially p2w.
People tend to spend insane amounts of money, and Blizzard has cracked down on it as they noticed a huge correlation between GDKPs and Gold Farming/Buying.
Why else would they care to crack down on your GDKPs?
Imagine you don’t buy gold though and play the game…
I can;t believe you just outright admitted this right here…
Yeah if they’re playing the game without buying gold so can you, and with a 16% drop rate the thousands are still super lucky whereas the other hundreds of thousands are still without that power jump and may never even obtain it while they play MC.
You look stupid for showing exactly how GDKPs work and exactly why we want you AND the Bots off our servers.
More like a Rich child who never learned how to not use money to their advantage as they grew older.
But most never get it for free, so they’re not on the same power as you paying for it with your pocket book. Bring it to the Asian Servers.
You just can’t be this dense…
I’ll make this easy for you to understand; If you use money and that money directly provides an advantage over another player that is considered P2W. Point Blank.
It does not matter if other players can get the item you purchased or not.
You’re spending money and buying goldwhich is alsoagainst the ToS and you’re cutting corners and jumping the line past way more people that do not ever get said item (basically making it an impossibility for most). Causing you to be a cheater, and a lousy human being for not simply playing the game like everyone else.
Explain sod then? Season of Swiping, no gdkps btw.
I havent admitted anything, i gave you a hypothetical scenario…
And 10s of thousands will get it for free, so youre proving you dont need to buy anything for the player power, thats the opposite of what p2w actually is rofl.
They wont be off your servers lmfao, youre in denial my man. Classic fresh is going to be flooded with bots, warlock summoners who sell gold and boosting.
Because they have a market to sell gold as fast as they make it, most likely to people like you and your guild lmao.
Not sure what this even means, since the quote doesnt make sense with the reply.
You dont need to buy gold to make gold. Are you admitting to buying gold here?
I don’t care about SoD, don’t play it and don’t intend to.
Uh huh… sure.
10s of thousand will eventually get it for free, but you’re getting a massive power spike early changing your advantageearlier on and taking you from the regular powered and average geared to superbly geared as you continue to purchase gold and spend it on items over and over.
The version is irrelevant, the point is fresh will have bots, warlock summon armies selling summons who will in turn sell gold and boosters, because once again they have customers.
If im some imaginary gold buyer then so are you and everyone associated with you…see how that works?
Oh so buying gold means your item is going to drop week 1, so you get it “early”…you really are dense lmfao.
There isnt even any “winning” in classic, there is nothing competitive to even “win” at lmfao.
By this logic there’s nothing to win in any Pay2Win games either but yet people still pay for the advantage and the edge, whether it be in PvP or progressive content competition and completion.
Yuck… cheaters give me the ick…
Just listening to you beg to be allowed to cheat and not wrapping your head around the fact you’re cheating or playing mental gymnastics just to validate your cheating logic is sick…
Sorry but you’re not paying to gain an advantage on the Fresh servers in EU and US, take that ish to China where it belongs.
Its because you dont understand what p2w means, when the phrase was coined it was usually used in games that you fought only players, like my world of tanks example.
Imagine there was an online card game like I Declare War, where you each flip cards from the 52 card deck.
Except the store sold Jokers which beat everything, and you swiped and your deck now contains all jokers.
Thats actual pay 2 win, because youre going to “win” vs actual players.
You dont understand the phrase and you think the “Pay” part means using in game currency when it means you have to spend real life currency for an advantage that you cant get unless you pay.
The “win” part means you spent real money for player power that cant be gotten unless you paid real money so now you beat the other players.
What advantage? The possiblity of never seeing your item? Hell even if you got the items before me im better at the game rofl.
Im not begging for anything, idc if gdkps arent allowed in the game, i just wont make alts lmao, i was just playing devils advocate.
Explain why GDKPs are harmful to the “spirit of the game” but HR/SR are not. HR/SR make people less likely to run with a specific group, which is definitely contrary to traditional guild and social structures. Somehow, I find GDKP has brought people together. Please explain.
The ends do not justify the means. HR/SR only discourages people who want to do GDKP. And those people don’t even enjoy the game; they only enjoy being rewarded for their every action.
They won’t because they are obviously keeping the number of servers very limited aka 3. Otherwise they would have some form of RP realm… It’s what we’ll call lack of resources despite the amount of money it brings in. Just the same as they could obviously allow gdkp if they were hardcore on getting rid of gold sellers/buyers but again resources that they obviously don’t want to put in.
Will there be a perm BC server like ERA assuming BC progresses to Wrath? I would like to keep playing BC instead of Wrath, would it also have the character copy system for people who want both BC and Wrath?
I feel like the removal of the GDKP loot option is fantastic! It will keep those that are interested in actually playing Classic wow while discouraging the modern “gib me pixel now, will pay” crowd away. In 2019 many of us that enjoy vanilla left to those other servers because of the toxic behaviors and p2w mentality of the modern gamer. Now each group has a place to play, a literal win win.
Wtf is this hyperbole?
2019 is when classic was re released.
Bots farming herbs/mines/instances was the biggest issue
GDKP didn’t start to gain in popularity until the final phases of the game.
If you don’t buy gold and still enjoy gdkp, how is that P2W?
