Wraths sub count plateaued - it barely grew at all. People did leave the game especially after ICC with casuals replacing the existing community. The result was the collapse of subs going into cata once the tourists leave as they always do.
No…4k is one of the smaller ones. Pagle is twice its size almost and then the next big jump are servers like benediction and the other mega servers. People looked at Pagle as if it were a dead server…despite it having 7k people. Westfall has 4k and I never have any problems. The old school servers back in the day maxed at 2,500 people. So 4k is great.
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Go look up any Sub chart for Wrath, it stayed at a high point and grew until mid Cata where it dropped. I don’t think you understand how charts or data works, all of this can be found on Google.
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lol what charts are YOU looking at? It goes up for cata when it releases…then it immediately goes downward and never got back to wrath numbers ever again…
The solution albeit late is to take the steps they are taking - offer free transfers and distribute the players properly. The solution is NOT to kill server communities and meaningful interaction for those that didn’t play on megaservers just because those players ruined it for themselves.
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You frame this like there’s only two possibilities, servers large enough(or RDF) that enables 2 minute waits to enter dungeons, and 5 hour ordeals to form groups.
It’s entirely possible for servers to have a healthy population that allows current content dungeons to group in less than 20 minutes of effort.
They don’t need RDF, they need to more tightly curate where people can or can’t transfer/make new characters. Combined with merging especially struggling servers.
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Is it westfall? Isn’t that the largest non locked East pve server available? Pagle is so large it’s locked right now.
I transferred to westfall about a year ago on my alli toon because I thought it was a larger server. Haven’t had many issues filling groups but westfall had a larger population than the server I came from.
Ok go google Subscriber chart for that time period, virtually every chart backs up what I say.
WoTLK had a subscriber growth all the way till the end, it only dipped in Cata.
This never existed outside of some remote guild experiences, for most people LFG tool from Retail is basically zero interaction and people mindlessly joining dungeons and trying to gatekeep meta party set ups.
LFD alleviated a bulk of this stress, and Cross Realm led to even more social interactions.
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I googled them. At no point in cata did the numbers go up except at the end when mop was dropping. Then warcraft lost another 30% of their subscriber base over the course of MoP.
Totally inaccurate. Wrath maintained sub counts barely growing at all until ruby sanctum where it went up 100k. After early cata it plummeted down to sub TBC levels. You can keep saying it grew but that’s what we call plateaued.
LFD alleviated nothing. lol
Killing player interaction is what killed it. Having a living bristling world is much better then “sit in que at CITY”. Which is what WoW became.
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Pagle isn’t that large. We have not had queues, even on prepatch day. They preemptively locked it, because people literally can’t help themselves.
They probably didn’t want benediction and other mega server types trying to migrate to pagle, to keep their mega server feel, but no queues.
I suspect their goal is for servers to not go beyond where pagle is right now. So benediction and the other mega servers gonna have to shed thousands of they want to play.
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Cross realm gameplay doesn’t immediately resolve Server queues, people would need to leave said servers for that to happen and they’ll say they don’t want to give up their names or leave their guilds to then join another new guild and earn a raid slot.
Blizzard should have just hard locked these servers from Transfers a year ago(or more) and prevented players from creating Mega Servers in the first place.
If I play on a particular server then I want to play with that servers population and not having toxic people from other servers phase in and out at a whim on my chosen server.
Every single change even if it’s done with good Intentions will have unintentional consequences that negatively impact people.
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Jesus dude, you are completely lying haha. I pulled up 3 or 4 graphs in this time and every single one proves you wrong. I’m done talking to you, you’re all emotion and zero logic. You were fun to go back and forth with though, but def. not worth my time.
Good luck.
So I was right then? It didn’t drop, it only grew and plateau means it stopped completely growing and then dipped which wasn’t the case.
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Then it’s a you problem. If you killed server interactions for yourself why should those of us that played classic properly and made friends do so aswell? You already have a game with these features for you. Go play that instead.
Overall it barely increased overall count remaining completely flat aside from a tiny bump. You can keep saying it but that’s a plateau, almost 0 growth in 2 years. You were also totally wrong about cata sub counts but since you’re a troll I doubt you’ll concede that or anything else.
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No, you were wrong. You said that it GREW. It didn’t. I’m lying? Because every graph that I and others are looking at…say you are 100% lying.
12m at the start then down to 11.4 then 11.1 then 10.3, and then 10.2 and finally ending on 9.2 million. So at no point…did it EVER go up. Liar.
You and your 4 friends don’t represent all of Classic, a majority of people have to deal with GDKPs and this awful LFG tool from Retail that doesn’t promote any sort of social interaction at all.
Classic is just as antisocial as Retail for a good amount of people playing, just because you personally don’t experience that doesn’t mean these problems don’t magically exist.
Go ahead and show me your source 
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There’s a tiny bump in subs around the late middle of wrath. Which was an otherwise flat line.
When cata dropped, there’s another slight bump, and then it craters below wrath in the first 1/4 of the expansion. It’s a downward trend from then, until blizzard stopped sharing sub data in 2015.
Maybe it’s been better lately, but this was my experience in classic and tbc after the initial launch hype died down.
Either be on a mega server and have a full AH, get into pug groups at 4 am on a weekday. Or be on a sub 1k pop server where people transfer off of it everyday, a dead AH, and groups take an hour to fill during peak hours.
Doesn’t this sort of support my point. So many people were moving there from their small to medium pop realms that they locked it. Why were they moving there? IMO probably because it’s easier to find groups on mega servers is a big contributing factor, that’s why I felt the need to move off of my dying server for westfall a while back. Also a lot of mega server people left because of queues and chose the next highest populated realm available (pagle) so they could stay on a large sever and not risk ending up on a sub 1k pop realm that has trouble filling groups.
I’d love to…but they don’t let us include links in our post. So go and google it. A dozen different graph type come up…but ALL say the same thing. NO growth. Only loss.