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Racials should either be disabled in rated, or placed as a talent option.
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@orc racial
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I got a GREAT IDEA GUYS.
REMOVE ORC RACIAL BUT - MAKE ALL STUNS LAST 1 SECOND LESS. BOOM - Orc gets something else cool but then all races seem viable - however **** Nerf Shadowmeld and Undead Racial to 3 min.
Maybe not all stuns like change warstomp to make it separate from Stun DR or make it longer. so people can still do iconic warstomp clones and repetences.
Orc racial would matter much less if the game wasnt 100-0 people in stuns for pvp.
On use badge racial and 20% stun reduction is pretty enormous and there isn’t a single racial in game from any other race that comes anywhere close to that.
Shadowmeld and EMFH are great in their own ways for sure, but you don’t have 20% Stun reduc every single stun all match long and a 2 minute dmg cd that lines up with ur class cds for most specs.
If racials were renamed PVP Perks and you could pick and choose 2. Every single person would run stun reduction and on use badge racial nearly. its a no brainer so clearly they need to be removed and buffed to orc power levels.
You can start by reverting WOTF to PRE TBC 5 second immunity and give touch of the grave a 3-5% HP nuke instead of a 500 fart on a 15 second ICD
Def think your underepping undead racial its def good and likely better against many of the meta comps right now.
I agree Orc needs a nerf but Shadowmeld dropping combat for rogues/druids is absolutely cancer, and undead wins games many times for undead priests. Shadowmeld deserves to revert back to keeping you in combat so you can’t get free vanish - remove orc stun racial would cause rogues to be even more aids to fight and they are super S tier on all 3 specs (I play mine for fun - but its a super easy season for them currently).
Like I 100% die vs Rogue XX without orc racial as a shaman. I still die alot but that GCD saves me so many times.
Agreed but thats a specific class interaction thing, not a umbrella everyone gains same benefit good.
Because holy priest is 99% of games.
If it was pre nerf WOTF or gave a passive 20% reduction on fear/mc/charm like orc it would be alright but still not as good a 20% reduction on primary kill mechanic in PVP for every single class/comp/spec in 1v1/3v3/mass pvp. If everyone is required to stun and kill then the one who sits the least stun wins period.
additional to bloodfury + on use pvp trinket combination.
Lets not undersell here
I just said I would die every game without Orc Racial as Shaman def not underselling. We just die in stun so Orc Racial is at least 100 CR.
Shadowmeld for Certain Classes is the same Buff in PVP (Priests Rogues Druids) +100 CR
Undead is amazing for Priests. + 50 CR
Tauren for Paladins/Druid +50 Cr
I’m not being biased - This is true Tauren Stam Crit buff is massive with the Warstomp finishing clutch kills after hoj or a rep or a cyclone.
Undead Is amazing for Priests after Trinket is Down they can play safe and Undead Racial Out of a Game winning fear.
Orc/Night Elf are far and away the best where some racials are pretty darn good (Undead/Tauren).
human shares cd with trinket
will shares cd with trinket
dwarf shares cd with trinket
orc racial doesnt share a CD with trinket
HMMM
orc is the issue, nothing else. just like human was the issue before it was slaughtered
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Nerf Orc and Night Elf to revert free vanish interaction and stun reduc. 9.2.5 everyone will go night elf if Orc is removed and the game will just be vanish this vanish that vanish this vanish that free drinks and even more damp.
I’m sorry you don’t think shadowmeld is that good, but people get a massive advantage because of it. Mainly Jungle/RMP.
except meld takes an actual button press and isn’t a mindless passive that completely counters the only way that anyone dies ontop of having a built in badge
meld is definitely good but is meld better than human relent if orc were to be nerfed? i doubt it. let’s also remember that meld restealths are more an issue of subterfuge and rogues needing trinket as opposed to relent more than it is an issue of meld itself
Rogue and Druid **** Druid free pounce on command is really good.
While it’s not as mindless as Orc Stun Reduc I don’t think Shadowmeld is that much brain power - if you are getting bursted meld - if you see stormbolt meld - if you see priest coming in to fear meld is a hit and miss. If you want to drop arena frames meld to drink or avoid a cc. It’s a get out of jail free card with priest already having infinite jail free cards.
I believe Human Relent is def worse than Shadowmeld for the 3 classes I mentioned above.
druid has 3 ways to stun so having a meld rake every 2 minutes isn’t the most wild thing
log on your nelf and meld a fear for me, i meld cc pretty often and it’s maybe one in five games.
druid only, i’d still rather be human. i just can’t
2 of the top 5 most represented classes can’t even play as orc and orc is still 40% of the playerbase
it’s a major issue and will only become a bigger one when cross faction becomes a thing
every race is supposed to have it’s own unique utility and benefits, gnome, tauren, undead etc. orc is the only one that is maximum effect with no effort required
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While I agree, CC is way too long at the moment and Orc is the only thing that makes the game playable.
I like removing orc racial but also lowering Stun duration for everystun outside warstomp to keep tauren still viable.
Oh you didn’t play in mop did you?
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Ye I did on my other account I played when Sub Rogue had infinite CC with Gouge and double smoke bomb and all the other fun tools. Played Ret Rogue Rsham to Top 10 Ladder when Ret Rogue was meta.
orcs get to be relatively immortal into comps that rely on stuns, and they get to trinket CC aggressively into non sub rogues
human relent is somewhat immortal into comps that rely on stuns, but they never get to trinket CC aggressively into non sub rogues, or they’re punished with a 1:30 ICD
the two best races in the game and the winner is obvious, this is again before you take into account blood fury
no other race compares in any regard and it sucks blizzard has such an obsession with orcs because it’s the leading culprit for why we have current sub rogue
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I too played on my other account to top 10 in mop. Unfortunately I used another name back then and that account is banned 
buts it’s not my fault
My account is linked to this one but I didn’t realize achieves didn’t show up on a linked account. Was too lazy once I committed to restarting from scatch after college with a trial when i forgot my username/pass since transmog wasn’t a thing back then. Guess I’d have to call Blizzard to figure out how to get that one active for my cata drakes.
If I could find a way to move my toon from my old account to this one with my drakes since they are linked that’d be nice but been too lazy.
That’s ok I’m just meming my man. Either way hard to believe you think cc is too long now when you played mop. People could be cced until the following weekly reset in that version of the game lmao
I dunno with Outlaw and RMP using Holy right now (Most priests holy) it feels longer than normal with the triple cross being super mindless.
Damage also higher so cc small window feels infinite.