[WotLK News] A live chat with Devs

[Healsx-grobbulus]

it aint ever coming and thats the best part
keep asking for it tho!!! it will work for sure!

[Ziryus-pagle]

@Euphorazine-pagle

@Bricklethumb-aerie-peak

Right now it feels like you are union reps that position yourself to get a fat bonus all the while the poor people below you are not getting a raise or anything.

What? What benefit do they get?

Apparently they get to actually communicate to some degree with blizzard, which is more than anyone else on the forum gets.

[Euphorazine-pagle]

It didnt sound like the iLvl squish applies to ICC, so really, it just makes the first wing harder. Obviously it will all be harder since people will take weeks to get upgrades, just natural when there are 25 players and only a few pieces drop each week, but the upgrades received from the opening wing will be more impactful and catch you back up to ICC levels.

Apparently I misread it. Stat Squish to all tiers starting with TOC and after

[Mispeled-benediction]

The proposed idea included ICC gear as well.

[Kîllawar-thrall (Kîllawar)]

@Mispeled-benediction

From what I can remember, they were talking about making it so that Ulduar 25 heroic gear would be better than ToC 10 man gear but not better than ToC heroic gear.

We brought up Class balance as well for this exact reason you’re saying here, the potential impact (Like for Warriors and Fire mages for example), if I remember correctly, they said they wanted to first look at the first phase and see where the dominos line up first.

No, no, and no. It’s one of those things that is not only true to the game, it’s a thing that’s going to impact the balance of it. QoL is one thing, balance is another. We do not want nerfed versions of our ICC gear. That is not Wrath. It’s not even “classic”.

I’d appreciate it if someone told everyone in favor of these “changes” to stop. They’re starting to treat WotLK Classic like Retail in terms of “We can change whatever we want”. Balance should be 100% where the line is drawn. It’s already problematic enough that we don’t get appropriate class updates with each patch and just set the talents/classes on a 3.3.5 balance patch.

And for clarification, yes, it is bad to do this. 3.3.5 was set up with ICC gear in mind. To put the ramifications simply: classes that did not scale as well got buffs whereas classes that did, simply put, got nerfed. Classes with, again simply putting it, higher base values put in to help them scale in ICC will be over-tuned in the early versions of the game whereas the nerfed-scalers will do poorer than they should. Scourge Strike for instance did garbo damage on plate in PvP in the ICC patch because armor values were higher (higher quality of gear gives more armor) and with extra resilience. The base damage of Scourge Strike (the weapon damage percentage) was put higher to account for its new physical damage portion because Scourge Strike in the past dealt pure shadow and had a lower base damage because of it.

Lower base armor values at the start of the game with a higher base damage on Scourge Strike (because it deals physical) I can guarantee will result in the ability shredding anyone who wears cloth. This is just one example and I’m sure there’s more.

My overall point is: we’re already dealing with an inappropriate “balance change” due to the talents/classes operating on a 3.3.5 foundation in an early version of the game.

I’d appreciate it if you’d let the other council members know (who’re in favor of the squish) as well as Blizzard that the “squish” is a terrible idea not just for the finger-in-the-pudding unnecessary changes regarding WotLK (that people do not want (the ideological “stop changing things” component of this argument)) but that these changes are also a very bad idea for the overall balance of the game as well.

Mucking with QoL is one thing (Dual spec, RDF, CWF tome, etc.) and is already “not” WotLK-True, but balance is the bedrock. Highly suggest not mucking with the numbers. It’s one reason why I avoid retail because they’re notoriously terrible at it.

[Sleepgel-stormrage]

We regular folk arn’t worthy so they had to make a council to act as a medium between the Paying Community and the people making the product because as you can see, a lot of people don’t have faith in them.

[Chickinuggie-faerlina]

Yeah I’m starting to see it. When the CC has to come in
pretty much say ‘pls don’t kill me’, that’s pretty bad lol.
This happens every time and this is the only CC I’ve seen even post things for us. Like stop before we won’t have anyone lol!

[Dumbcake-westfall]

But don’t you get it? With everything they’ve added and not added, this is a whole different game in a Wrath wrapper. You can complain about us pro-RDF, we only wanted was was already there. Not this bastard version they’re laying out in front of us.

Classic was the test, TBC was the proving ground, Wrath is a whole new thing. It’s going to get far worse.

[Elronmagetwo-arugal]

I don’t understand how anyone can think removing RDF is a good decision.

I also don’t understand the point of the “WoW Community Council” if they can’t discuss the concerns of the playerbase and what we want isn’t the point of creating the council so we have more ways to get our messages across ?

Having RDF in the game impacts nobody if you don’t like it don’t use it people still found groups the otherway

Having RDF out of the game impacts everyone we can’t just click a button to find a dungeon group

Logically adding it in is the best option which works for both parties

[Futurew-benediction]

Can we keep the RDF discussion to a different thread? RDF is more nuanced since it came out in the last content patch of the expansion. It isn’t black and white whether or not it should be included from the start in wotlk classic.

On the other hand, Blizzard announcing that they might attempt to rebalance items and adjust their stats should be a huge cause for concern from anyone who plays this game

[Ziryus-pagle]

Listen to the community and make positive changes based on that, nah.

Get what are essentially unpaid interns and give them gold text, to forward bad decisions to the general community and then take the heat, winner!!!

[Heavywood-grobbulus]

Jus about everyone Ik and play with us playing WOTLK for WOTLK and not for RDF.

I’m sure there are some people who wanna play wrath solely for RDF, but that is a niche minority.

Also DF actually looks promising.

[Ghost-stormrage]

Was there no question or mention of where people’s characters are? A lot of us are in the dark with none of our mains, and yet you guys brought up nerfing gear after Ulduar?

There’s are a bit more serious issues at hand then debating changes to gear…

[Heavywood-grobbulus]

@Ziryus-pagle

Get what are essentially unpaid interns and give them gold text, to forward bad decisions to the general community and then take the heat, winner!!!

This is comedic gold 10/10 would read again

[Bricklethumb-aerie-peak]

@Futurew-benediction

On the other hand, Blizzard announcing that they might attempt to rebalance items and adjust their stats should be a huge cause for concern from anyone who plays this game

It’s ALL a huge cause for concern right now.

It’s a major train wreck happening before our eyes.

And this is coming from the guy that most people think is a Blizzard shill!

[Shadows-grobbulus]

Blizzard, for the love of Elune, stop changing WotLK!

[Bloomsday-sulfuras]

@Timothra-mankrik

hour was enough time to bring up RDF. Just willfully chose to ignore the biggest topic

Seems like none of the community council members care about it. So is it really the biggest topic then, or is it your personal biggest topic?

[Dumbcake-westfall]

@Heavywood-grobbulus

Jus about everyone Ik and play with us playing WOTLK for WOTLK and not for RDF.

In almost every group I Pug, someone jokes that they wish they could have just joined RDF an not wasted 30 minutes looking for people. That doesn’t happen in my guild.

Ask around in leveling pug land. Completely different opinion.

[Stylewars-nazjatar]

All they had to do was relaunch WOTLK as it was, but of course they can’t help themselves and need to mess with it.

[Heavywood-grobbulus]

@Dumbcake-westfall

In almost every group I Pug, someone jokes that they wish they could have just joined RDF an not wasted 30 minutes looking for people. That doesn’t happen in my guild.

Yea when they add RDF in ICC I hope they do xserver for dead realms like Westfall.