time to pop some steroids then
She just got her gold text and is trying to justify it while simultaneously putting her strawman constructing past behind her.
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You arguing the gold amount is irrelevant the fact is my point still stands that’s going to be the leveling process.
Yeah the MuH SoCiAL eXpErIeNcE doesnt even make sense because nobody is forced to use it. Anyone that has a moral problem with it can simply spam in lfg chat just like they do now. They know nobody wants to group with them. They want everyone else to be stuck in the sunken cost fallacy of “well this mage is !@#$ing awful and keeps making weird trump jokes like its 2016 again but itll take 20 minutes to walk back and summon someone else so !@#$ it”
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Theyre not interested in what theyre doing, they dont want you doing things they dont want you to do
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1. I really hate that they are not wanting to add Dungeon Finder in. I believe all the core systems should remain in the game, but I’m not against minor tweaks to make things better. Completely removing systems from the game is a bad idea.
2. Some positives to having dungeon finder:
- It’ll be easy to get groups. Right now, you can be looking for 1-2 hours and never be guaranteed to find/fill a dungeon group. With RDF, you are guaranteed a dungeon even if it takes a while for DPS queues.
- You can be working on your dailies, crafting, gathering or working on achievements while queued up for RDF. You don’t need to keep your eyes glued to the LFG channel or Bulletin Board addon and ready to immediately whisper the very first person you see that says they need more for your dungeon… only to be told “Sorry full” just because you were a couple seconds slower than 3 other DPS or you were looked over because you weren’t a meta DPS.
3. Negatives:
- I can’t think of any negatives that don’t also come along with manually forming a group. Getting randomly kicked, people ninja looting and people being rude… all of this happens without RDF.
- Social/community aspect? It’s 50/50 on if you can get people to talk in dungeons currently. I’ve had one GREAT group recently that talked and even continued doing heroics for a while afterwards, but that is something that can happen with RDF too. The “Forced interaction” you get from needing to organize the group and designate tank/healer isn’t quality social interaction for me. However, you get the right people together who have the same personalities and goals - they’ll have a wonderful time spamming dungeons together. This is something that can happen with or without RDF.
4. Possible solutions?
I’m not really sure I guess. Some people argue that RDF removes the social aspect but I’ve already covered my thoughts on that and I could go on and on about that but I wont in this post.
If it’s because people can get the same heroic multiple times a day due to RNG… just make it so that can’t happen.
If it’s because RDF offers extra rewards (Which I can’t remember if that’s true or not), make it where it doesn’t.
If it’s because people don’t like the thought of getting automatically grouped and teleported to the dungeon - I don’t have a solution for this one because that’s some of the best parts of RDF.
Bottom line… my opinion is that I thought Classic was more or less going to be a copy+paste of the old game and, while some changes might be good, removing pretty significant features from the game is a very bad decision.
Though, I’m still under the impression they’re just trying to convince us that they aren’t going to give us RDF so that people will buy level 70 boosts, only for them to come back in a couple phases to be like “We heard you! Here’s RDF!” after people have stopped buying the boosts. /shrug
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Like I said my alt will be $40 to skip 1-70, then 4-7k gold to have a mage boost me 70-80 with an auto follow weak aura while my character stares at a wall and I watch anime.
The real wotlk social experience.
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Thank you for taking the time to write your post
What are your thought on the fact the LFD version of the Dungeon Finder was only introduced in the ICC patch of the original WotLK?
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If you follow the interview back then they actually wanted it at launch it just wasn’t ready until patch 3.3.
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I’m perfectly fine with it if they choose to release it with the ICC Phase. That’s all I ever expected, honestly. Would I complain if they released it sooner? No, I wouldn’t. I’m just upset that they seem to want to remove it completely.
I think the game at the start of an expansion is perfectly capable of handling life without RDF, but the later it gets in the expansion, the better use RDF is. So it releasing around ICC was a good enough time back in the day.
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Imo, moderation is severly lacking in the forums and game, I would love to be civil and have intelligent convo, but sadly the forums are full of disgruntled players who think that its ok to berate, badger, and goad others with differing opinions. There is not much constructive dialouge in thes forums as of late and the lfd topic is a big point of contention, your about the 200th post on the subject in a matter of weeks, just look at all the anti-lfd, classic andy, negative boomer labels being thrown around, Every subject gets hijacked and derailed and buried in personal insults or badmouthing the game. Ive spent multitudes of hours cultivating an ingame community and been able to filter out those that would willfully engage in toxic behavior unlike the forums where its battle royale of every man for themselves. My biggest fear is that automated grouping tools would erode that community I love so dearly.
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So to answer these.
- It’s annoying because LFD addresses real issues that currently exist and will continue to exist and I want solved, and in the case of Wrath Classic #nochanges isn’t even a good reason not to add it anymore.
- Obviously that it guarantees you’ll be able to find a group in a reasonable amount of time regardless of server/faction/level/class/spec/time of day.
- You will encounter a little more trolling in dungeons(assuming you join through LFD and don’t just preform). The amount of this is both grossly exaggerated and compared to not running a dungeon at all not a problem.
- Yes as long as my answer to #2 is fulfilled a trimmed down version of LFD is certainly possible. So sure take out the teleport, leave the rewards from quest givers in cities instead of directly from LFD, make it prioritize same realm. Those are all reasonable and address the complaints people have but still let it do it’s primary goal.
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Nothing about LFD is intrinsically tied to ICC other than a coincidence it released in the same patch originally. It’s a QoL improvement that works on all dungeons of all levels.
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As Ziryus said, LFD was only tied to ICC in that it was finally finished and ready to launch for that patch. The timing itself may be due to Blizzard knowing they’d have a long content drought (a year), but if I do recall they had hinted they were working on the system throughout most of Wrath.
The issues that LFD sought to solve (and, largely, it did) are far more prevalent now than they were at the time, so the system could very well be utilized earlier in Wrath (such as in P2, after the initial rush of players in P1). There are other systems that were developed later available at the start, after all, throughout Classic.
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Overall glad that Dungeon Finder is not in WOLTK Classic
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I get why people like it, it makes finding a group much easier without having to ping 40 different people to find a simple group and spend 25 minutes actively looking for a 5man. I’ve only got so much time to play WoW im not 16 anymore and can’t spend all day on WoW so it makes sense.
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I majorly dislike having a game tool port me directly to a dungeon. That’s the only reason I don’t like Dungeon Finder is immersion and the auto porting to the dungeon and back after its over. Give me an “in universe” way to go there and I would gladly welcome it. Make Millhouse Manastorm from Arcatraz come to me and make me portal to that dungeon, cool with that, whatever. I’m fine with Summoning Stones it’s a magic rock whatever. I’m a warlock I can do magic stuff, just give me something I can use to get there besides a menu option. Give me some more lore for it and I’ll be happy as a clam to use Dungeon Finder ( Destiny’s Edge from GW2 and Undaunted from ESO come to mind ). Without these I’m happy to ride my horse or dragon to the dungeon and walk in.
- Agreed, Removing this altogether is probably too much. However I do appreciate the attempt of keeping “Classic” closer to the spirit of the original Pre expansion experience, that doesn’t mean no changes because no one agrees on what changes those are but whatever. My ideal Dungeon Finder is make me a group and don’t port me.
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I just wonder how many of those same people who were booing him that are upset about it now. Considering the crowd he was addressing was assumingly a Vanilla base.
Don’t think that has any real bearing because the RDF would’ve been worked on in the previous patch and possibly at the start of WOTLK. It just happened to have been finished in 3.3. It was probably thought of in TBC due to how much people were having trouble forming groups for gold content on basically every server since TBC was not an alt friendly expansion compared to something like wotlk (which is why attunements were basically sent to the shadow realm)
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I haven’t found the confirming evidence yet, but I have seen more than one poster claim here that Rob Pardo(?) said in an interview that he wanted something like it in Original WoW.
Edit: Yeah, what Zaalg linked.
It was thought of before Vanilla even launched, according to Rob Pardo…https://www.escapistmagazine.com/five-years-of-warcraft-speaking-with-blizzards-rob-pardo/
That segues in nicely to this question: Cross-server gameplay. It’s convenient, but do you think that it runs the risk of destroying server communities?
'To be completely honest, [the Looking For Group tool] is a feature I wanted in the game when we launched the game. I was really unhappy when we didn’t have it when we first shipped, so it’s been 5 years coming. Maybe it wasn’t the number one thing I wanted in, but it’s definitely one of the top 5 things that I wanted in the game. It’s actually our third try at a proper LFG tool, and this one gets it right. With the Meeting Stones, we didn’t put enough attention into it, we just tried to jam it in, and people didn’t use it. The second tool, it ended up being compromised feature – we tried to cater to too many different audiences.
As for the community question, I used to … I think that 5 years ago, I would have answered this question differently than I would today. I was all about preserving the small realm communities, but already… Well, look at Battlegrounds, it’s a good case in point, because it doesn’t diminish social relationships that matter on a realm. Sure, everyone can bring up “that one guy” that they know, the ninja looter who stole his stuff. But I think your real community isn’t the whole realm, but it’s your guild and the friends you group with, and the cross-server LFG won’t undermine that at all. The Dungeon Finder – by the way, I think we just renamed it the Dungeon Finder last night – We designed it in such a way that it serves the need for guilds and groups and friends. You don’t have to always [join a Pick-Up Group]. If there are four guildies in a group who just need a fifth, they can do that. You can also use it if even you have a full five-person party.
Or, you can do it if you’re on your own and just want to run something, so I don’t think it diminishes it at all’
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You learn something new every day it seems