No for the simple reason that PvE has much better balance than PvP and is therefore much more accessible. Not to mention that high rated arena being a ladder system inherently means not everyone can have it.
But then going back to my other point if all arena was available from honor so it was just a time grind then sure.
Again, it’s not minimal slots. People are using 5-8 pieces of PVE in arena. Healers who do both have roughly 200 more healing than someone who just pvps, which is massive.
Blizz tried out templates in Legion and it was very bad.
Allowing legendary effects in arena is just silly. I don’t mind letting people use the legendaries, but just remove the bonus they get from it in rated formats.
/shrug but why is expecting pvpers to do a little pve a problem? It is the main game after all, how did you get to level 70?
Not everyone can have a legendary weapon either, it’s gated behind class restriction on top of the time gating and how much money you want to dump in a GDKP or how much your guild likes you.
If you want to talk about balance, then what do you think a legendary does to balance and accessibility?
It doesn’t have to be, both can coexist equally. Place yourself in the shoes of someone who wants to play PvP as their main content, they do not want to spend countless hours raiding just so they can enjoy the content they want to do.
The game would probably be better if there was some limitation placed on them in arenas.
However, the point of Classic releases is not to create the best game possible. That’s the point of Retail. The point of Classic is to create the most accurate version of the prior expansions possible; and for that reason I believe that the legendaries should not be changed.
(PS - Yes, I hold this opinion about all changes, including the ones that you the reader like or dislike, and including the ones that I like or dislike.)
Wow. I’m done conversing with you on this topic after this comment.
PVE is more than just a little, it’s a time commitment.
If you get into a GDKP, get your wallet ready, as these main ticket items that is needed go for 20k+ gold. Plus I have zero interest in doing raids on my alts, I do it once on my main and don’t have the time to do it again.
I’m still baffled at this line of thinking. Have a good rest of your day.
/shrug to be honest if I was super serious about competitive pvp I wouldn’t pick WoW in the first place. There are much better games for that. Trying to force WoW to be that game already seems like a lost battle.
Agreed. WoW PvP is a meme
Every game is different.
WoW PvP is not the same as League of Legends or Counter Strike. It’s not even the same as similar games like Guild Wars 2 or Final Fantasy 14. It’s a unique experience unlike any other games and it’s why people enjoy PvPing in WoW.
Saying that “there are much better games for that” as a reason to not talk about ways to make the PvP aspect of WoW better is just lame imo. Because you can apply this to every game and every type of content: “There is much better games than WoW Classic for PvE, therefor the game shouldn’t even be maintained at all because it’s a waste of time to even talk about it.”
So how do you feel about just normalizing gear in arena? That removes the pve aspect from it altogether. Shouldn’t that be what people complaining about legendaries want, an even footing?
I would rather see rating requirements removed or reduced to a point that at least 50%+ of the players can achieve it.
I don’t like being given a set of stats to play with as it reduce player agency on what they want to focus on their stats and how they build their character. I want balance first and foremost, the “normalization” should be on the ease of access to the best gear you can get for PvP through PvP. Whether it’s getting it through BGs or low rated arenas, so that all players participating in PvP can be on an even footing without needing to do PvE or reach the top 1% of rating to get access to the best PvP pieces.
Rogues had their day with glaives. Unimpeded.
You didn’t have to pve for them, they sell them in GDKPs.
Only fair for the healers to have their Val’anyr in Wrath.
No changes.
Because the lazy want an excuse as to why they are getting curbstomped, and its never them that is ‘the problem’.
Yeah, the secret to glaive rogues is they die faster if you hit them. Less resil. Easier to deal with in ways.
No one can get a legendary from one raid run in wrath unlike tbcc
In regards to the specious arguments of the topic poster.
Chasing ‘balance’ in a mmo is a fools errand that will only take flavor away from the game.
You can have both flavor and balance, one doesn’t exclude the other.
Saying that chasing “balance” in a mmo is a fool’s errand is silly imo. Wrath is more balanced than TBC and TBC is more balanced than Vanilla, it was an iterative process that made the game better over the course of 2 expansions and the flavor was still there. Hunters still had deadzoning, Warriors still couldn’t heal, items were still memorable, etc. but each class were closer in terms of balance without being that much closer or further in term of mechanics and flavor.
Legendary weapons have no place in arena. Destroying the only balanced arena expansion for the sake of people storing gdkp or bought gold who want to exploit the weapons makes no sense
In original burning crusade the devs nerfed the rogue ZG trinket and said mind quickening gem was on the radar but so few people were using it they weren’t going to nerf it, but were going to keep their eye on it.
So nerfing it this time around now that every mage in arena had it made sense. The same thought process should follow for wrath.
Before legendaries were rare, hard modes being beaten were rare. In original TBC we had 2 guilds that could clear BT. Now you cant go through town without everyone being on a bear mount and half of all warriors/rogues wearing glaives.
If the old devs were in glaives would already be banned
And you don’t see any difference between legendaries which should be awesome and random lower level items that happen to be awesame?