WOTLK doesn't need RDF

[Aurumai-whitemane]

@Feywaif-atiesh

Fine. I have yet to see any real evidence that it’s so easy to form groups that it would make any sense to eliminate a feature that was a part of wrath in it’s original state. If you want evidence from us link us to your record of your dungeon runs and the times it took you to find a group

Sorry, I actually misspoke when saying “real evidence”. What I meant to say was something more like “sound reasoning”. The logic behind the pro-Dungeon Finder arguments is usually something along the lines of:

• It’s too difficult to form groups and run content
• It’s impossible for people on dead realms to find people to play with
• I want dungeon runs to be less of a time investment
• Dungeon runs already lack communication
• Traveling isn’t meaningful gameplay
• 3 players already get a teleport to the dungeon
• People boost to level anyway
  and so on.

Every single one of these things is highly problematic and it’s easy to poke holes in the logic. Dungeon Finder is a controversial feature. Many people subjectively want and don’t want it. Therefore, rather than retrofitting the game for anecdotal experiences, we should only ask for it to be implemented if the objective arguments in favor of it outweight the objective arguments against it.

@Feywaif-atiesh

That’s your subjective personal opinion that the dungeon finder moves the game closer to retail. Everyone has there personal opinion where the line is between the original parts of the game and what they consider retail.

You’re partially right about that, but being that the gradient between “old WoW” and Retail is, in and of itself, only a partially objective thing, we’d have no choice but to take some subjective perspective into account.

There is both subjective and objective merit to certain metrics like how long it took for Activision’s influence to manifest in Blizzard’s IP, the way the subscriber count changed over time, the fact that a market for “legacy servers” grew steadily and large enough for Activision Blizzard to make a significant investment into appealing to, the way design philosphy changed over time, etc.

@Piezuri-benediction

whereas LFD doesn’t really cause much real problems that aren’t already present in game.

The presence of problems doesn’t suddenly warrant us accepting more problems into the situation. Yes, server population distribution and faction balance is generally horrendous in Classic. But that’s a separate issue that should be addressed. Yes, dungeon carries are a very common thing and they break the way the game was intended to be played, but dungeon carries should be broken.

Dungeon Finder may mitigate some problems to a degree, but only in their symptoms. It doesn’t actually fix anything.

@Ziryus-pagle

So keep doing so? There is nothing stopping you from forming groups just as you do today.

There’s even more value in it for you as you’ll be getting people on the same page as you about why they want to group with you.

I've talked on this before.

@Aurumai-whitemane

@Feywaif-atiesh

LfD doesn’t prevent players from communicating.

No, it doesn’t prevent people from communicating, but it trivializes the necessity of communication. People en masse will literally always favor the more convenient option. Therefore, trivializing the necessity of a thing effectively removes it from existence by and large.