Blizzard only cares about what’s doing well. Wrath is not doing well. They seem to judge how well something is doing by how many twitch viewers are viewing each version of wow. HC is popping off and now they’re dedicating resources to it. Wrath is not doing well, the viewership is trash, pvp gets 300 viewers at best. It’s just not worth putting effort into a dying expansion like wrath.
Blizzard just cares about player participation not fun, and people have been baited into feeding their wrong participation metrics. Its a double edge sword in the end.
Players had the chance to prove this wrong but its just repeated and doubled down.
HC is a streamer game, its not for you or me, the quicker you realise this the more healthy games will come.
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You have a point Being better to me Better communicators I will say this it’s a lot better now than it was back in 2019.
Like you’re not the main Priority is dragonflight And it does show dragonflight is a very good expansion a million times better than Shadowlands was.
Now what that said You also have hardcore and era Popping off because of it And blizzard’s biggest mistake was trying to keep to this Keep wrath classic Which doesn’t work.
Rdf Should have been in And it wasn’t but you still love people that claim that it’s better for it I don’t agree with them by any stretch but it’s what they think.
Wrath Is the accessible expansion but The problem is the player base has made it unaccessible specifically because of the early game.
When it’s technically easier To get your pre raid best Assuming you’re a new player in any contacts or even on a new server.
There’s something wrong And that’s before we start talking about servers which again. I think have been worse for the game over all A lot of these philosophies are from classic.
Wrath in not Classic but people Wanted to be as much of Classic as it can be The same thing with Ulduar Nerves Some people want them some people don’t.
And they know they’re going to Make some people mad no matter what they do I think the reason they’re not communicating is because they don’t have much to say.
Toc on the ptr and The new Heroic modes I think all the other stuff is kind of just still being looked at Because they know once they announce something.
It’s not necessarily written in stone but their kind of obligated to do it rdf Would change the landscape and there is a part? Of me that wonders that they don’t necessarily want to take away the ecosystem.
Era Is doing well because of people going there I don’t think that’s good for wrath But is it bad for blizzard no.
I just don’t think wrath is They are priority At this point that’s what I honestly Think and they’re trying to think of ways how do we make as little people mad As possible.
Yep new players cant do the raids 30% only because of RMT gatekeeping, deny it all you want but this why its ded.
New players cant get their welfare epics to catch up this has a domino effect and players eventually leave.
Then you have players saying there is nothing to do.
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I mean i’m not denying that at all You want my Take on that aspect it’s very simple If you’re gonna let some people cheat let everybody cheat I say put in the wild token at this point.
There’s absolutely no way blizzard Can keep up with that many bots And band that many bots effectively all the time Especially when you take into account discord.
The amount of manpower it would take to do that and yes. I know there’s been people that have said cough cough certain servers. We shall not talk about do it fine.
Ya 5k -7k vs over 100k That’s a very different population to deal with On the same end yeah you’re not wrong i’m always for rdf.
And honestly at this point Ulduar Being nerved probably wouldn’t be the worst thing even for the hardcore audience. Yes there are people that do love that.
We clear a hard raid every single week but at certain point when it’s on farm you just want to get it done You have your accomplishment you have your achievement.
On top of that it causes so unexcellent messes up There’s a wipe people get mad Add a certain point Unless you’re a speed running guild which isn’t the majority.
Especially when 50% Of the player be still cannot complete it Then that obviously means it’s too hard so ya.
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I agree with you, the deny is for the trolls that will come.
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Maybe Honestly it’s going to be Very interesting because there is a very big difference between 2019 and now Regardless of how people feel about it dragonflight is a good expansion.
Which means for the 1st time ever Since classic has launched People can’t say The newest expansion is garbage And Blizzard is actually listening at least when it comes to that.
So that’s a very interesting Shall we say peace on the board So i’m very interested to see if how that turns out.
Ill give them credit for DF theyve tried its a lot better than Legion/BFA/SL thats for sure.
It misses the essence of Classic/TBC/WotLK but that is not the point of retail.
Were back in Cata/MoP/WoD a critical time were blizzard created so many great ideas but cut them all.
Honestly i am eager to see what happens, unfortunately the situation requires both the player and the dev to bring a piece of food to the table. Peace is what we should strive for these forums have been nothing but a void cesspit for too long.
We’ll see that’s the problem I think there is this silly belief That all classic players think alike And that’s just not true at all if anything.
I think the classic player bases more divided than Dragonflights player bases And for the record legion was good There are some problems with it but if we’re comparing it too.
BFA/SL Legion is so much better than both of those but yeah I get what you’re saying And I think you are right but the other argument is kind of this.
World of warcraft players Don’t always know what they want Just because something sounds good doesn’t mean it Turns out good The classic pvp system and spell batching for example.
#NO Changes And then People Wonder why SSC AND TK SW AND ULDUAR We’re the only rage where people got stuck Well obviously because it’s a solved game.
But there were people That did thing go yeah there’s gonna be tons of gills that Get stuck on the first two bosses in MC But we know it didn’t turn out That way.
But I think the other problem IS Classic players in some ways are harder to please THEN Dragonflight players And I do think there is a section that absolutely hate the idea They can no longer say The newest expansion sucks.
Yes Shadow ends did possibly in republic damage to the world of warcraft player base there’s no denying that But there’s also the argument what can they really say.
If blizzard comes out tomorrow and says NO RDF We’re going to stick to that people are just going to get more angry IF They say RDF IN TOC There’s going to be another section of people that are going to get MAD.
Now which one is better For the game well You ask my opinion RDF For multiple reasons you ask someone that for whatever reason Is under the illusion that people still talking dungeons well they’re not going to agree.
And something blizzard doesn’t get I think Is making a promise sound like it’s forever People can change their minds But some people don’t others just wint era Fresh.
But it does make sense that their newest product is what they’re putting most of the resources into Because like it or not era Is not going to be what gets people to join the game.
It’s more likely to be wrath or df so ya
My issue with retail is loot really, so for classic i know the item i am going to get, i can set a goal within my guild to acheive that, its a goal i can see fruition with.
In retail I find this goal harder to acheive, specifically on how loot works.
The chronological/straight gear pathway seems to work though ill admit it has it flaws thats why welfare epics became a thing.
So lets use legion, legendaries was not a good system to acheive these goals.
Then shadowlands doing the same mythic dungeon to get that same trinket but it has 2 more ilvls
To me this doesnt feel like WoW, its more like Diablo/PoE
I dont consider myself to be a classic purist, my focus is more on a community driven game to create an enjoyable environment to escape in, the world sucks we shouldnt need to make it harder for each other.
The OG days of classic are gone, but that doesnt mean we cant have a respectable environment.
i wish they wouldn’t roll out bug fixes like they’re patch notes and balancing passes lol.
I completely get what you mean I mean to be fairer to a certain degree you still are battling rng To a certain degree I will Legion Legendary’s at first were really bad I think it was much better when they implemented the legendary vendor.
And I just think that they did that way too late as far as bfa Let’s not talk about israel armor or the essences Makes my head hurt Shadowland I’ll be honest I looked at it.
And didn’t play it till the Very end and when I Say the very end I Mean After a dragon flight was announced.
I will say now though the way lute works In dragonflight is way better. I love the fact that you can gear up your character from Literally anything because of the upgrade system.
I also like how you can customize your raid A little bit more And the new crafting system is a Amazing I do get what you mean You can target certain things And hope it drops however I would argue.
You may not be able to get the exact same thing but you can get something very close to it in equivalency You know not exactly but it’s close.
So at least when you’re hunting for something it doesn’t feel as annoying you no And crafting does stay relevant to a certain degree and that’s not something you can say in wrath or tbc or evin cata you no.
Just engage with the community. That’s literally all it is. Instead, once every blue moon there’s some random blue post just telling us one minor thing and then they vanish into the ether again.
And just as often as not, the random blue post is going to be about something almost nobody was asking for, despite the forums typically being flooded by 2-3 topics at any given time.
Actually talk about what they’re doing about the bot problem, if they’re doing anything at all. No details needed, just a regular 'hey, we know, and we’re totally doing things you guys!"
Give some kind of response to any topic that begins to flood the forums. And yes, that means if they are sticking to their dumbass guns about no RDF, that’ll mean they’d need to regularly shoot it down. It would actually keep the topic at bay for a while compared to how it’s been.
Respond to literally anything about PvP. Anything at all.
Any kind of indication that yes, there are actually paid employees still working at Blizzard on this game that give a damn.
An actual heads up to when we can expect a transition between phases. You can’t expect me to believe they don’t have solid dates locked down; this isn’t Retail where they have to create all new stories and content. Are we going to have 3 months of ToC? 8? Where’s Ruby Sanctum fitting in, as last I heard they didn’t want to have Ruby Sanctum be the final phase?
I honestly struggle to see how someone can think this company is communicating well when it comes to their Classic product.
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Yeah RNG will always be a thing and the crafting systems is a great innovation my concern is its link to WoW tokens but ultimately you cant do much about that, its important the system carries through to the end of the expansion, using SL as an example the convenant system was abandon on release it was a scrapped garrison essentially, we didnt see the convenant base get expanded at all during SL.
What i want blizzard to do is get all their awesome ideas and reevaluate them all instead of drip feeding them through the expansion make it great to begin with, it has created a toxic enviroment where people realise its better to just wait till the last patch and play, part of the journey is finding a guild and progressing said content.
Like they’ve reinvented Timeless Ilse every expansion.
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This. This explains it very well.
Hell, they’re not even telling us the TOGC release date. Communicate.
Communicate the tough thoughts too (buffs, RDF) etc.
Silence leads to contempt.
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No comms, rampant gold buying and botting, arena scripters cheating, arena boosting for $ and $ bought gold, the game is a shell of itself.
They’ll point at us all day and say the users have done this to themselves, which is true, but only because there’s literally no one policing this game.
You left us in a capitalistic sandbox without any guardrails to ensure things are fair. And in doing so, have taken a massive f-ing dump on the legacy of this game.
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Yes people need to stop giving this company more money ontop of a subscription, heck we need to all just cancel right now
See i do Agree with you for the most part however I do say that blizzard has changed their design Philosophy? And if. You watch? The Interview that preach did a while Ago they go over this.
I’m not going to say the exact term because I don’t remember it but basically forward design Garrisons to Order halls to Covenant sanctuaries for example.
The problem comes in when Blizzard sees us enjoying artifact power at the beginning of legion so they go oh they like this Now by the end of legion we’re sick of it while we’re already building the system based on it.
And they can’t just go back and we owe crud we made an oopsy guys Because it takes a year to design so they’re changing their design philosophy but I do agree.
Garrison’s in practice We’re bad but the idea was really cool I still want to see them do something With player housing and I do think it is achievable.
I personally don’t care of its instance even if they were to use something like ff 14 you no but I do get what you’re saying overall but I do think they are changing that.
Especially seeing what they’re doing now I could see them going back Maybe we could see player housing in the future you no im just Saying I do see a change in blizzard you no.
I see that change as well, this is more a reminder that complacency is no longer acceptable. Im not a dev but I see lighting in a bottle when I see it.
I know the videos so its annoying that they know this and ignore it, there has to be a reason we dont know but its related to its design philosophy, its linked to player participation from player interaction of the content, ultimately the player deicison drive these changes and this has been skewered in a way, im not blaming the player but we have the choice to do better as a community.
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I mean I agree but that’s kind of Problems when you go to an older version of the game What’s OK to put in and what’s not and you ask A hundred different people you’ll get a hundred different answers weather.
It’s good for the game or not is all going to be in the eye of the beholder bots Wouldn’t be a problem if gdkps Weren’t so popular what can blizzard do is that blizzard’s fault no not really.
Blizzard didn’t force us to do gdkps And I would say at this point. It’s kind of like what can they really do to get rid of them? Literally the only Thing They Can do is indirectly encourage it with the wow Token but if you do that people are gonna be mad and they’re saying well blizzard’s just giving up they should just ban the bots.
If it was that simple they already would have done it rdf Youth is another extremely hot topic I’ve set it before wrath is not Classic They’re too completely different games.
But you do have people that think differently The different says is I want what’s best for the game so the game lasts longer. There’s a lot of people that want the game the way they see it should be.
I mean perfect example hc Servers got announced? Everyone’s losing their mind and saying what shouldn’t be allowed? And What shouldn’t ah,Dungeons, Everybody has a different opinion.
I do agree with you about the communication though I would be happy If blizzard even gave us a quarter of the communication that they did for dragon flight although I do understand.
They’re really trying to recover from the bad press of shadowlands so Dragon flight does need to be their priority I do kind of wish they could give us something though you know.
Instead of random blue posts about certain class changes here and there Or even to hear okay this is our idea of what might be going on whether we do cata or not.
On top of the fact this new Season everybody’s already jumping on the bandwagon saying it should just basically be classic era Fresh And the only thing we know about at this point Is that it won’t be called season of mastery so yeah.
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