Worse Than WOD - Three Words I Never Thought I'd Say

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I agree, Shadowbringers was legitimately amazing. Well, still is technically, since we haven’t even seen half the patches we’re going to get before it’s over. The entire story gripped me from start to finish, and managed to flesh out even characters slated to become a villain. I look forward to each new patch that comes out with that expansion.

WoW on the other hand… I agree with you. It feels like they’ve given up. Like they’re doing the bare minimum to get a game out because it still makes em money. I don’t know if that’s because they’ve become apathetic as you say, or if they have too many time/team constraints placed on them, but it definitely shows in the end product. :frowning:

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This is true.

Looking at the release of classic and the return of CoX and L2 classic it reveals to me there is a hunger for MMORPG gameplay.

I simply don’t buy the narrative that people don’t like MMORPGs anymore. The truth is that MMORPGs are no longer being designed for MMORPG players.

RTS for example has declined in popularity due to the popularity of MOBA but RTS core gameplay is still intact. I can’t say the same for a lot of MMORPGs anymore.

This is why FF stands outs and why old MMORPGs are still popular in 2020. I would have never dreamed that CoX, L2 classic and WoW classic would be more intriguing to players than the current retail WoW. But here we are.

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Knowing Blizzard, in three expansions they’ll retcon it anyways to have an even dumber story somehow.

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I am not sure what the future is for WoW. That will be determined in the shadowlands beta soon. But what I do know is that in that gap between now and until shadowlands launches the competitors are putting out more content and more polish now.

Times change.

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shadowlands will most likely be a make it or break it moment but so far Blizzard is facing the unknown and it aint pretty

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BFA’s problems strike so much deeper at the root of HOW the game plays rather than how much content is being delivered. BFA feels like it’s doing more damage to the good will players had for the company than WoD ever did. No one feels like the developers today are motivated by anything other than squeezing more “time played” metrics out of players.

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This is all I can think about when I’m spending 20 minutes flying around looking for rares that are on a 10 minute spawn timer for rep which has an infinite rune or bis essence locked behind it.

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I guess the bigger question is if it really is blizzard doing this, or has that other company who shall remain nameless, now fully in charge, cutting costs, employees, resources etc., and wrecking yet another game?

it only remains nameless due to my upset stomach thinking about it. :wink:

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Omg. I would love such an avant- garde and trolly ending.

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A void naaru will come to us and tell us we were wrong to blast N’Zoth. We will now have to reconstitute him via a quest to procure 100 of his missing eyes.

He whispers faintly to us initially, in a very high-pitched, boyish way. As everyone collects more eyes, it grows deeper into the creepy af whisper-hipster we all know and love.

Combination epic quest line and coming of age story.

The Old God years:

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I wasn’t sure at first but 8.3 seals the deal for me. BFA is worse than WoD. In WoD at least I could do the content I wanted without having to do 50000 chores first. In WoD the only thing I really had to worry about was the legendary ring. The amount of things you have to do in BFA just to do the most enjoyable content is insane.

Grinding azerite
Grinding essences
Grinding PVP (for essences)
Grinding Mythic+ (if you want any chance of getting into a raid)
Getting gear with perfect secondary stats
Visions so you can upgrade your cloak
Dailies
Then doing the actual content you want to do.

It’s just too much and it’s not fun at all. It’s so much that I feel like all of my time spent playing is spent doing these chores. I don’t have any time to even run old world content or just mess around. Blizzard really needs to go back to basics because filling the game with a million different tedious grinds does not keep people playing.

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The fact that people are even comparing BfA to Wod is in itself damning. If they said “it’s not as good as Legion” that would be just a mild diss. But to say they feel its as bad or worse than WoD shows the degree of frustration and - yes, anger - that this disaster of a patch has brought to light.

Blizzard should be aware that their attempt to hook people into buying a 6 months sub to keep them playing will only go so far towards keeping them in subscriptions. Once that runs out I suspect the bottom will fall out of the lift and it will plummet. And I can’t see a lot of those very disappointed players returning to Shadowlands. Not when there are so many alternatives out there.

This is what happens when marketing and accounts and number crunchers take over a fabulous game.

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I’m in the same boat. WoD was terrible, and even though it was shorter than Legion, it felt like it was about 4 years longer.

BfA had potential, I agree that the storyline was good, but some of the zones made no sense. I know the first raid made zero sense for alliance. Story wise, we shouldn’t have been in there at all.

I am thinking that when people started comparing it to WoD, the developers threw in the towel, assigned a rookie team to work on it and the more experienced moved on to the next xpac (at least I hope that is what they did).

I have enjoyed 8.3, as the opening of the patch actually had some depth to it. I am worried that what we experienced will be it and we will spend the next 10 months doing this stuff over and over and over and over. If we do, I hope they throw in a ton of gold like they did in WoD.

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I can’t say that. I refuse to put on the rose-colored glasses.

My memory works perfectly and WoD was a dumpster fire.

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Whoa there, hold on. Yeah, N’Zoth is REAL BAD. But the rest of the BfA story is really good. Plus we got a .3 patch. Don’t forget ALL the cut content from WoD. And Yrel.

WoD was really bad, people.

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I feel like the raids itself are outstanding, but the lore is really bad right now and really running on fumes. Like im normally not a huge lore guy, but BFA’s terrible writing often seems to drop anchors at times on badly thought out ideas. I’m just glad we never had to see any Sylvanas in the raid after all that foreshadowing with a brick stuff we got during the war campaign gag

"Random npc: Do you think we should condemn evil purple hitler genocide? Our game dev only plays one race, and only he and the fire nation can ever hope to stop Nzoth. Oh, you just killed him in pvp? That’s a 50 dkp (Development kontent points) minus!

Also NPC horde worshippers. I"ll have you know unflavored red colored gelatin is the most COMPLEX flavor you people must have ever seen. Oh, and did i also mention im also Sylvanas’s ex sister, but also alive, which drives her to commit mass murder? Definitely all in the family! Oh now let us high elf model spam run wild whenever the quest devs get bored of staring at dwarf butts, ta deee dummmmmm ♫♫*

5 year old toddler writing fanfiction: [quote=“Vaelian-moon-guard, post:77, topic:420352, full:true”]
I feel like the raids itself are outstanding, but the lore is really bad right now and really running on fumes. Like im normally not a huge lore guy, but BFA’s terrible writing often seems to drop anchors at times on badly thought out ideas. I’m just glad we never had to see any Sylvanas in the raid after all that foreshadowing with a brick stuff we got during the war campaign gag

"Random npc: Do you think we should condemn evil purple hitler genocide? Our game dev only plays one race, and only he and the fire nation can ever hope to stop Nzoth. Oh, you just killed him in pvp? That’s a 50 dkp (Development kontent points) minus!

Also NPC horde worshippers. I"ll have you know unflavored red colored gelatin is the most COMPLEX flavor you people must have ever seen. Oh, and did i also mention im also Sylvanas’s ex sister, but also alive, which drives her to commit mass murder? Definitely all in the family! Oh now let us high elf model spam run wild whenever the quest devs get bored of staring at dwarf butts, ta deee dummmmmm ♫♫*

5 year old writing fanfiction: “AND DEN DA BAD GUY EXPLODED AND EVERYONE WAS HAPPY, EXCEPT FOR EVIL MAN, WHO WAS EVVVVILLL… DEN HE WAS GUD GUY, AND DEY ALL LIVED HAPPIILY EVER AFER! FOR… 5 MINUTES!”

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This is honestly one of my biggest problems with BFA. Sometimes, at the end of the week, I realize I’ve done nothing but chores and didn’t get to do any of the content I wanted.

I just want to be able to log in and run a few dungeons or a raid without having to do all those grinds. Is that too much to ask?