Nope. Learn to read.
Being the first in the world to kill a boss in Classic doesn’t mean you were the first to kill that boss in retail.
A patch, expansion, change, etc, to retail, does not reset the progress in retail.
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I’m not a teacher and I’m not being paid to educate people. Do your own research. All you’re doing is making yourself look ignorant. Enjoy your world ten million and first Naxx completion.
Ok. So, every time a riad gets “Altered” there should be a new race to world first?
Is that what you are saying?
Code for “I pulled that crap outta my butt and I’ve got no proof.”
No. Learn to read.
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He wouldn’t say that, as it would undermine his entire argument xD. OMG WORLD FIRST POST NERF X BOSS.
No, I wouldn’t say that because it entirely misses the point of my argument.
A change to the same game does not reset the progress made in that game.
A new game has new progress.
That’s why I’ve consistently maintained that “world first” in this context means “world first in Classic.” I have not argued, EVER, that kills in Classic are “world first in retail.”
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Bug fixes or patches that change a boss health or abilities don’t sound like same game to me.
My character is different patch to patch expansion to expansion.
Not same game.
I killed magtheridon pre nerf now I can claim a world first post nerf. Shut the hell up.
Your EXACT line is right below.
Maybe you need to learn to read your own posts? Right there. You claimed the riad have been altered, making it not the same as Vanilla. So please, kind sir, explain what you meant by that?
It’s not a new game though, it’s a rerelease, a recreation, of an old game, 1.12 to be exact, i.e. stuff that’s been been done already ![:joy:](https://d38bqls1q93fod.cloudfront.net/en/wow/images/emoji/twitter/joy.png?v=6" ":joy:")
. Someone clearly doesn’t understand what the WoWC project is actually about .
It is the same game, objectively.
But everything your character has done or progressed through is maintained through those changes.
If you killed Ragnaros and got T2 pants, you still have T2 pants. The game still marks you as having killed the boss (yes, it actually tracks that). You still have your achievements, your mounts, your levels, your spells, your skills, your professions, your guild, your friends, and so on.
When you make a character in Classic, you will not have any of those things, because you are making a character in a new game. Not just a new realm; a new game.
Maybe you need to learn to read what I was responding to:
I was not using that as an argument for why kills in Classic are world firsts; rather only as a refutation to what was said.
Which is objectively true, is it not? That’s not what makes the first boss kills in Classic “world first in Classic,” though.
What makes them world first in Classic is the fact they were first boss kills in Classic.
But it hasn’t been done in Classic.
It’s a new game with new progress. Or do you really not realize that EVERYONE is starting over, and there is absolutely zero progress carried over from retail to Classic?
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Wrong. Maybe watch the Blizzard streams and learn about the WoWC project. It’s an old game being rereleased and recreated in a previous, already played state, 1.12…For the tenth time.
It’s not WoW+ or WoW2, nothing is new about it, it’s 1.12 rereleased with NO changes to classes, raid content, leveling etc. Not first if it’s old content. Basic concept.
Okay, I’ll just log onto my 120 character in Classic.
Oh wait, I can’t, because it’s a different game.
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The way you do your posts? Easier to figure out why water’s wet.
Thank you for proving my point and making yourself look very ignorant. Retail has been changed by many many patches and expansions. Cataclysm changed the entire world. Classic is a rerelease of an unaltered 1.12 that already existed, was played and was completed. It existed. It may not anymore, but it did and it was completed already.
Okay, so maybe “new” game is not the right word. Separate game?
The progress in retail and Classic are not shared, at all.
I think it speaks more about you than me if you struggle to comprehend my posts.
Haha, that doesn’t prove your point at all. It proves mine, in fact. Yes, the game has been changed by many patches and expansions, but it’s still the same game. I still have all the progress I made in retail to this day.
The fact I killed a boss in retail is not undone by the fact a patch or expansion came out.
However, Classic is rereleasing the game, as you say. All of the progress that happened in retail is totally irrelevant to Classic, because no progress has been made in Classic.
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The fact that you keep dragging in retail, which shows your inability to understand the history of WoW and the WoWC project and that you have to quote things out of context with the actual point missing, reeks of desperation almost as badly as the deluded sense that killing a boss in its 1.12 state, that was already killed in 2006 or whenever IN the original 1.12, constitutes a first.
Only you are talking about retail, I’m talking about the original 1.12 of 2006 that was completed back then and which Classic is a recreation, NOT remaster of.
1.12 existed. It was a state of the game. It’s an immutable fact. Classic is a recreation, a rerelease of this same state, this OLD content in its 2006 form.
It’s like completing a game and then loading an earlier save file and completing it again. The second time is still the second time.
I don’t think I can dumb it down any further, sorry.
No. No really. Theres no logical reason, to reply to 1 post, then skip on and reply another post, just to go back and reply some more the the 1st post…
You aren’t competing against thousands of players. Hell, within 5 hours of launch, anyone who knows how to power level will be further into the leveling process than the vast majority of the rest of the server’s populace will get to within the entire first week.
As the process continues forward people will be more and more spread out, depending on the speed they can maintain and you will see significantly fewer and fewer other players…
The players that are doing sub 20 hours to 30 and sub 2 days to 40 are going to see even fewer people running around most of their leveling zones than the beta players where seeing when it was “dead” with under 100 per faction online.
For the really fast levelers it won’t be uncommon to not see another player for 10 levels outside of a town, after ~30 or so.
You’re the one that keeps saying world first was already completed. Where do you think that was completed exactly, if not retail?
I don’t quote things out of context, buddy. People can literally just click the up arrow and see your post in its entirety. I’m cutting out the excess of your post because it doesn’t actually change the meaning of what I’m replying to.
That, or I’m choosing to purposely edit out your constant insults because they don’t actually contribute anything.
Do you have an example of my quoting something out of context? I bet you can’t find a single example. Or should I go educate myself on that, too, since it’s not your job to provide any proof for what you’re saying?
It’s not about the patch. It’s a first… in Classic, which I’ve said repeatedly. You’re under the impression I’m saying a first in Classic somehow overrides the firsts in retail.
Classic could launch with 1.1 and it’d still be a world first IN CLASSIC. Call it Classic first if it really ruffles your feathers that much.
Vanilla is retail, buddy. Or was at the time, anyway. When I say “retail,” I’m referring to the game that is currently available and has been available since 2004.
The kills that happened in vanilla still count. The world first kills in vanilla are the exact same as the world first kills in retail, because it’s the same game; the same timeline of progression.
Not quite an apt analogy. You’re not just reloading a save on the same game; you’re installing an entirely separate game.
That’s why I keep saying “world first in Classic,” so you can get the hell over the fact I’m not talking about the first Ragnaros kill in WoW.
Yes, people killed Ragnaros in vanilla.
No one has killed Ragnaros IN CLASSIC.
There WILL be a world first Classic Ragnaros kill.
The logical reason is I posted my reply, then they edited the post to add more:
Unless you meant something else. I can’t find any post where I replied to one post, replied to another, then later replied to the first post again except where the first post I was replying to had been edited after the fact.
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lol i dont see method being one of the world firsts it takes more than buying out gold to get this one omegalul