Nothing but your opinion. I base my replies on facts read/listened to from official Blizzard sources.
Nothing but a delusion. If I get my Amiga out of the loft and complete Civilization for the first time in twenty plus years, it’s not the first time, because I’ve done it already in the past. You cannot have firsts in two identical (core and game play, not QoL) versions of the game.
As already proven earlier, hot fix and bug patches don’t invalidate firsts or reset the counter, hence why no previously completed raid history has EVER had a second run at firsts following a minor patch.
I don’t play BfA so I’m not up to date with the patches etc. The world first boss kills for BfA 8.0 were completed. When the last patch went live, was it 8.2 or 3? I don’t know. Did people then gain brand new firsts on the raid bosses that had been completed pre patch?
It would be interesting to know how many times already. But a great many I imagine. It’s sad that people think it’s an achievement to steamroll unaltered thirteen year old content. That’s like me bragging that I’m a Civilization 4 master because I’ve played it on the PC since launch then I beat someone in multiplayer who only just bought and tried the game for the first time.
For half the thread you claimed that there existed a post that said "they’re removing layering, fixing all the bugs, adding patch progression, and somehow removing players’ access to new addons new external tools, etc."
So no. You haven’t based your replies on facts or blizz sources.
False equivalence.
If Sid Meyer released a remastered version of Civ, it would be the first time you beat the remaster.
The core gameplay is radically changed by the lack of patch progression among many other things.
Right. And changes to the game don’t make the classic world firsts any more or less valid… which is why I’m curious as to why you’re still going on about this point.
EDIT: Because Erebos keeps editing his posts:
We’re not just talking about beating the content. We’re talking about racing to do it before anyone else.
If you do it first, some people will care. If you do it later, nobody will care. Same as with any race.
We’re going to laud praises upon people who are doing things that were done 15 years ago?
You’re not getting a world first. I think Ion’s guild or something was one of the world firsts back in the day for a number of places?
You’re not getting prestige. These people, literally, provided mathematical proof to Blizzard that a boss fight was impossible.
The people we have now are trying to eat their own keyboard and, before AddOns became a huge thing, along with test servers, had to learn each boss individually. Now, we just have little things that pop up and tell you what to do.
Exactly, the experience is vastly different… Hence the world first kill of Ragnaros with the new experience. Unfortunately its gonna be watered down each boss is one shot the first night the instance is entered but eh, so be it. There was probably hundreds of ragnaros kills prior to the game being released but everyone got excited for Ruined when they downed it.
Nothing but a lie. Just because you’re too lazy to look it up.
You slipped up though because you’ve already acknowledged in your earlier post that Blizzard have confirmed that layering is in place only for set phases before it will be removed.
THANK YOU. Blizzard categorically stated that Classic is NOT a remaster.
I’m sorry, I didn’t realise I needed your approval.
That’s the point, there is no race, it’s over, 1.12 raid content first claims were made in 2006. You’re not first when it’s been done.
Blizzard isn’t going to remove layering until after launch, they’re not adding patch progression, and they can’t remove players’ access to new addons new external tools, etc
So call it a lie all you want. It’s not going to make it any less true.
I’m confused as to how this is a slip-up.
You’re grasping at straws. Blizzard can call it whatever they want. The fact is they’ve made radical changes to Classic.
I don’t remember giving you any.
You’d better tell that to the guilds who are getting ready to race.
I stated layering was being removed, you demanded proof, I refused to be your whipping boy, you call me a liar and state there is no proof, you then state that layering IS being removed. Ok, so, I can’t keep up with your contradictory nonsense.
You outright called me a liar and claimed no proof existed that my claim that layering wasn’t permanent was true and now literally are saying the same thing yourself. Split personalities much?
On the contrary you’re grasping. Since it’s THEIR game and not yours, I’m pretty sure what they say goes. Unless you’re Ion himself, I’m pretty sure if they say it’s not a remaster, it isn’t.
Exactly, and I proceeded anyway, because your approval is as irreverent as your arguments.
I don’t think they will need to be told. Sure it’ll be fun for them, but they’d have to be pretty naive, like at Doomoracle levels, to think there’s any achievement in steamrolling already completed, thirteen year old content. I have faith in humanity that the number of people under that delusion is quite low.
You stated no changes were being made (“there are no changes to the game play, the content, the raids, the mechanics, the classes and the balance.”). I said:
I actually didn’t outright call you a liar. I said that no such blue post existed.
It doesn’t.
And whether they call it a remaster or not is still irrelevant. Not only in the argument from authority sense, but also in the sense that classic world firsts are still world firsts whether or not it’s a remaster.
Good for you? lol
I never said my approval was relevant. You’re the one who brought up approval.
The word is irrelevant, by the way.
Considering the amount of work (and even boasting) going into the race already, I think it’s safe to say that they do think there’s some achievement in winning the race. Otherwise they wouldn’t bother.
I need to get some sleep now and you’ve bait wasted enough of my time already.
I wish you sweet dreams of you and your pals celebrating your 11,235,561st Rag kill in the 1.12 iteration, toasting with grape soda, enjoying pretzels and using party poppers whilst congratulating each other on ploughing through thirteen year old content like a hot knife through butter because it’s been thirteen years.
It’s because you keep replying. I don’t want to be ignorant and ignore you when I can clearly see you’re replying. I don’t want to be rude and just ignore what you’re saying and vanish and leave you hanging.
You are done. You do not have the mental capacity to understand anything but your troll attempt. I have placed you on ignore, and can no longer see your posts. This post here is the last post. You get no final say, as I can not read anything further you say. Last word.