World PVP destroyed by Faction imbalance

Everyone isnt alliance tho?? Alliance is just more present at War Crates… Faction balance across the game isnt heavily skewed, like you seem to think.
The largest realms are still Horde Dominant.

https://gamingcy.com/blog/horde-vs-alliance

No need to be this drastic, just remove them from Rated content.

My sweet Summer child, I never held the possibility that you’d be right for 3 very important reasons.
Horde
Rogue
Alt-code in your name

All these 3 things combined paint you into a very specific characteristic.

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You’re not going to log in and find out. You’re afraid of truths slamming you. That’s a you problem, not mine.

I am logged in, but hitting rocks and picking flowers is more important than you.

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Nah it’s not more important than being anvil-slammed with the truth. It’s time to show you. Go to Dalaran Sewers real quick. I’ll be right there waiting. You sound like an under-performer full of excuses.

Just acknowledge the L you’ve earned and move on, I’m getting secondhand embarrassment here.

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Pretty sure we just exposed that you’re afraid to log in and find out vs. me, Shadowmeld is overpowered, and you make excuses as a hunter with 8 defensives and heals vs. a rogue. Oh yeah and one of them is a full immunity that lets you around around and still use traps lmao. Yeah you’re done.

If you can’t stunlock a solo player into inaction you’re not utilizing your tools as a Rogue.
If you can find me on Isle of Dorn I’ll duel you sure, but I’m not going to go out of my way to clear out yet another rat in Dalaran’s sewers.

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Yeah you’re not in the isle of dorn and you’re dodging me. You’re worried about what’s going to happen to you when it comes to being exposed as having zero knowledge in PvP. That was an easy win.

Who’s next?

Typical alt-coded Horde Rogue response. :dracthyr_hehe_animated:

You need new material kid. This is why nobody gets in feuds or tries in wpvp anymore, its the same lame roasts since 2012.

Looks like neither of you will show up and find out how bad you are at PvP. Not my problem. You’re scared of PvP, so you can exit the world pvp forums now. Neither of you will show up and get exposed, but in a way that right there is being exposed. Thanks for losing to me. Have a nice day being in denial. Also hunter is extremely powerful and maybe you should learn how to use it.

I’m sure we’ll find him making a post in a week about how he’s quitting this “trash” game and how they’re going to let their sub run out just like all those other complainers that threaten to quit but never actually do because they’re addicts.

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I think you might have misunderstood my earlier point… In casual BGs or even out in War Mode, I’m not saying you’re going to see an overwhelming number of Night Elves running around. I linked these statistics earlier:

https://drustvar.com/pvp/representation?bracket=all&region=all&rating=1800&option=race

…which show that Night Elves account for nearly 30% of all race representation in Rated PvP. It’s a clear indication that serious PvPers or min-maxers are prioritizing Night Elf for Shadow Meld.

The point I was making is that, sure, while those players are a “minority”, they influence the broader player base. Casual players might not all choose Night Elves specifically, but they do follow the meta in their own way. When top PvPers migrate to Alliance and race change for Shadow Meld, it creates a perception that Alliance is now the “PvP faction.” That, in turn, encourages casual players to follow—whether it’s for easier wins in battlegrounds, easier time in War Mode, or simply because that’s where the “good” players are now.

It’s not about seeing 20 Night Elves in every BG. It’s about the trickle-down effect serious players have on the community. The migration of competitive PvPers to Alliance due to racials like Shadow Meld shift the PvP balance over time, which is why Alliance has been dominating more in WPvP and rated content lately.

The buffs coming in 11.0.7 is a step in the right direction, but Ion has said in an interview that they have no plans to make any significant nerfs to racials until 11.1 because they don’t like nerfing things mid season. He said they’re aware of certain racials being outliers so I hope when the time comes, they nerf Shadow Meld.

I hope they continue to buff other racials in 11.1 as well. Right now, the War Mode imbalance isn’t something Horde can just magically fix. These community groups that have been popping up on Horde to form large raid groups and farm War Crates certainly does help, but they don’t fix the root problem. Alliance doesn’t even have to resort to what we’re doing. They already have a solid number of players randomly out in the world, posing a threat without needing to be grouped. Meanwhile, we need to form a coordinated raid group.

I’m curious where they’re pulling this data from, but when we’re talking about faction imbalance, statistics like these don’t really tell us much about the PvP playerbase specifically. Sure, overall faction balance across the entire game might not be heavily skewed, but PvP itself is already a minority compared to the much larger PvE playerbase. The numbers can look balanced at a glance, but they don’t reflect what’s actually happening in the PvP scene.

Just by taking a look at the rated PvP statistics I linked above, it’s clear there’s a significant skew toward Alliance—particularly Night Elves, who make up nearly 30% of the rated PvP playerbase. That kind of representation speaks volumes about the racial imbalance in competitive PvP, which doesn’t show up in broader statistics like the one you linked.

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They could at the least give Horde a shot at AOO

This is true. You need to find a community to do WPvP as horde… but WPvP is kinda garbage anyways. it’s essentially a mini game within the mini game that is PvP. It’s mostly people trying to gank others leveling/questing, and while there certainly could be fun fighting for crates… it’s too imbalanced, as you’ve mentioned in your OP.

The good news is you have a few options! You can find a community, like what’s been mentioned, or you can reroll alliance. it’s super quick to level. You could also level a horde rogue and just be a menace. that’s always fun.

This would be ideal, imo. I think they’ve made some decent changes to zandalari and the furries, but I’m not sure it’s enough to matter? I guess we’ll see Tuesday, yea?

Gotcha. That makes sense and we’ll see how this works out as time passed.

As I said, I don’t have much great evidence for my assertion that the pvp balance changes favoring Alliance feels different, deeper and more permanent this time. It’s mostly gut and a bit of what I see in game.

As I said, maybe I’m wrong, heck, probably I’m wrong. Perhaps it is the racials. I hope it is the racials as that is much easier to fix it seems to me. And it would be nice to see it fixed. But, it does feel different, and so I figured I’d note that.

Edit: Also, I probably should not have been, but I was surprised by the number of Blood Elves in Horde random/epic BGs. I never really counted the number, but it’s high, very high. And, Vulpera are everywhere in Org.

This is such a problem. We never get crates because we are always outnumbered by x5 - x10 the numbers, no exaggeration as you said. I have a partner and we always play together and we NEVER go to a crate that isn’t at least us 2v5 but usually 2v10 or more.

I just got onto the Siren Island and again, you start a fight with just you vs. 1-2 (I don’t mind a 1v2). However, as you are fighting, a constant stream of Alliance join the fight but rarely any horde.

As the OP said, give us OP pvp racials like Shadowmeld and the bleed removals and watch them flow back to Horde.

It’s a clear issue everyone posts about and have been doing so for years:

Or increase the incentives for the imbalance to mean something actually. OR just fix the poor phasing! Do something. This plus the MMR issue have really ruined pvp in the game.

There is no way Horde non participation in WPVP is because of one racial.

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Healer imbalance to ranged imbalance vs melee and faction imbalance all make world pvp basically a clownfest.