I don’t think it’s imbalance so much as Horde just not interested. Lot’s of Horde on my sever in WM letting me get stomped out there.
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Thats not the point.
The point is, anyone serious about PVP is playing as a Night elf, or with their night elf friends.
Therefor, everyone is Alliance.
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Remove racial’s from the game
Remove war mode and bring back pvp realms
PvP being opt-in necessarily means you will have faction imbalance when one faction has the objectively better PvP racials.
People optimize. This optimization has a demonstrable negative effect on WPVP. In prior iterations of the game seeking to balane faction populations was sufficient but that doesn’t work when PvP in opt-in.
No, but that same minority set the meta that the majority inevitably follows. Even if most players aren’t hardcore min-maxers, they still gravitate toward whatever gives them an edge, especially when it comes to racials.
If serious PvPers flock to Alliance because Shadow Meld and other racials are better, casual players follow. Why? Easier wins in both WPvP and battlegrounds by being on the dominant faction. It’s not about every casual player fully understanding the meta—it’s about following where success is more likely.
The same logic applied back when PvP servers existed. Players didn’t pick servers where their faction was outnumbered; they went where they had the numbers advantage. That’s how you ended up with servers like Sargeras or Bleeding Hollow, where one faction became overwhelmingly dominant. Serious players may be a minority, but their influence shapes the game’s landscape far beyond just the competitive scene.
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I think that this is probably 100% true as much as it pains me to say it.
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This.
Many people seem to think the argument we’re making is “Alliance has all the skilled pvpers”
When the actual argument is “they have all the pvpers”
Because a 2400 AWC Glad player since TBC is still getting stomped if 5 other players jump them.
Numbers matter. And racials demonstrably result in an imbalance of numbers.
Yes Horde don’t try but that’s because they are outnumbered so badly that they have been condition to not try which itself creates a negative feedback loop which bleeds more pvpers from the Horde.
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It’s the power of suggestion.
Does anyone not high on the ranked ladders need to switch races? Nope. But people will do so anyway which sets off a snowball effect where one faction becomes more dominant in all areas of pvp due to larger player pool.
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It was like that for alliance last 2-3 expansions. Maybe you shouldn’t expect to get carried all the time and learn to pvp
Yes it does.
It’s not just people who aspire to push the super high on the pvp ladder.
It unlocks M+ skips which can do quite a lot to overcome a group’s lacking performance otherwise.
I know a few healers in random BGs who lament not being able to just drop combat and drink (especially in epics like ashran or AV where you can get NPC aggro from healing people and you just have to walk away for 30 seconds to break combat and drink). It’s not really about “I need this to push my gameplay to the next level” as much as it’s “Sure would be convenient to simply drop combat right now”.
Even just the potential to shadowmeld > mount while doing stuff out in the world is a big draw whether it’s pvp or mobs you don’t feel like taking two seconds to kill.
If you were anything besides a Rogue I might have read that and taken it seriously.
Rogue nerfs were very sizeable and if you’re losing to one, that’s on you. Period.
Rogue nerfs are always negligible, Rogue has always been a high skill ceiling class.
If you’re underperforming, that’s the literal definition of a skill issue.
Shadowmeld does not turn the tide of a battle, especially versus Rogues that can literally do the same thing and still move around.
Log in and let me show you who’s underperforming lmfao. If I win, you can just dodge reality and say my class is overpowered, if you win, you can just say I’m under perfoming to help yourself feel better about being bad at pvp.
What would us fighting prove anything about Shadowmeld?
Have your eyes rotted out of your sockets? I’m not a Night Elf.
Not to mention I’m a MM Hunter, thanks to the nerfs (that were applied twice thanks to Blizzard oversight) that we’ve been dealing with since the Anniversary patch until Tuesday we will remain the most underperforming spec according to statistics and win delta in PvP.
Trust me, I’d love to press Rapid Fire once and just delete your HP bar but it’s not in the cards for my class balance right now.
It doesn’t matter. I’m glad we’ve now both established that you’re wrong and don’t know what you’re talking about.