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Went to search for a dungeon today. I guess WoW looks like this now:

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Run selling is so out of control it’s ridiculous. However, nothing will be done about it because it boosts token sales.

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This isn’t anything new, so I wouldn’t say “this is the game now”. These ads have been around pretty much since the group finder has been out.

I doubt they get much action from the in game stuff, at least I that if I was going to buy a carry, it wouldn’t be from some spammy website. It just doesn’t hurt them to try though.

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They’re all RMT?

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I recommend installing an addon until Blizzard changes how the LFG-tool is changed. My suspicion is that part of the “to better communicate between players” that they want to implement in Midnight specifically for M+, it might come with something that restricts these types of “groups.”

Maybe a more strict system for looking for keys is implemented, which… would be a shame sort of, but it would also be a pretty good change if we got a dedicated system to standardize what you can put into the description and title. At least for M+.

Not all of them but a good chunk of them are, but some of them are pretending that you buy it via gold when they are just RMT sites.

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I would argue the fact that they’ve been around since group finder came out does in fact say “this is the game now”. The fact that it hasn’t been completely stomped out means “this is the game now”.

The fact that Blizzard’s president (at the time) publicly advertised his own guilds’ paid carries on twitter says “this is the game now”.

The fact that Blizzard went out of their way to make an official auto-joined chat channel specifically to advertise paid carries says “this is the game now”.

Blizzard enabled these kinds of carries to go from a niche underground thing only really feasible off-game or on very high pop servers to something that ANYONE has instant access to. They caused this by allowing WoW Tokens to be converted to BNET Currency. This lets sellers transfer the gold they get on crappy dead realms to wherever they want without having to fiddle with trying to cage/sell pets on the AH or something. And then instead of fixing it, they openly endorsed it, multiple times, until today, where a new player’s first experience entering their capital city will be endless spam trying to get them to pay for someone else to play the game for them.

WoW is kind of cooked in this regard, and I’d like it if we didn’t pretend it’s acceptable.

All of that said, @OP:
It looks worse than average right now because so many people bailed on regular retail immediately to go farm their cosmetics in Legion Remix.

I typically just farm Eco Dome 10s for my Vault because I still need a Hero Track trinket from there, and it immediately went from constant groups available to choose from (to the point where I’d be looking for one that has classes present that will buff me), to having to sit and refresh and refresh hoping one pops up eventually. I did a 9 the other day because it was the only thing popping up and I wanted to get a few crests before raid.

No actual groups = it’s just the RMT Spam filling the thing.

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maybe cause its a timed event …

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I use premade group filter or whatever, not for the spam blocking but it does do it

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And actually ended up being a lot of fun

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not even close to mop remix but …

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Eh, I prefer it to mop remix

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Yes, and that’s fine. I’m not implying people shouldn’t be playing the brand new FOMO event. I’m just saying it’s a major factor in the regular game being a lot more dead than it has been up until this point, which makes ad spam more visible.

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Even if they were gold we’re talking about 1 step away from monetary currency via WoW tokens or 3rd party RMT gold purchases,

And at the end of the day, its still really bad for the game.

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Your doom and gloom would have more impact if they were the only options in LFG.

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Install addons to block spam in the LFG channel so you can actually use it.

I don’t even PvE anymore and I know to do this.

Also leave the Services channel in city chat immediately on any newly made characters.

That stuff is trash and you’ll never use it unless you’re a noob being taken for a ride to pay some farmer. (And honestly something you could do organically if you take the time to learn/play, it’s not worth paying for because it’ll feel hollow and unearned.)

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No, my point was is that this has been going on for a while. The OP came across (at least to me), like this is somehow new. It’s not.

It’s likely very difficult to stamp out people spamming new accounts and trying to limit posts in such a way that doesn’t impact legit players. It is an annoyance though in group finder, but it I’m never going to use them so I just tune them out or there are addons to handle that kind of thing as well.

I don’t have an issue with paid carries though, as long as you’re talking about in game gold. Those have been in the game since it launched. What most people have issues with are the RMT carries. And I don’t think the blizzard president at the time was advertising RMT carries were they? I could be wrong but I’d be shocked if they were.

But there is a difference between RMT and gold carries. Gold carries have been a thing since MC, even strath and scholo, and even when tanks used to charge gold to tank dungeons for people.

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Weird I don’t see that many at all.

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Yes, sorry, I did go on a slight tangent by bringing in regular gold carries.
But I will say that I think they’re a problem too.

Yes, they have always existed. But… not really

Back in the day, we were talking either very populated servers (if that – I can only speak to my own experience playing on “High Pop” servers, where I didn’t see a single gold carry ad until the tail end of WoD, and even then it was 1 singular group advertising), or we were talking about third party RMT Websites.

There is a huge difference between being able to find a sketchy website or talking to a specific guild on your own server, vs being flooded with carry spam the second you touch a city or try to queue for anything in the group finder.

The sheer quantity is what has made it become a problem when it really wasn’t in the past.

When it’s that accessible, it becomes the norm, and people playing the game and earning things themselves should 100% be the norm, not this.

It’s a massive demotivator to walk into town and see skipping my entire progression path on offer for like $20 in gold.

As for the actual RMT Spam Groups? Yeah, that’s rougher. Between bots, compromised accounts, etc, it’s hard to shut them out entirely even with restrictions like requiring level 50+ to use the Group Finder (though, that restriction means less with how fast leveling is now) and requiring 2FA to change the title.

But considering group finder is region-wide, honestly, theres’s not as many listings as you’d think. Even OP’s list is only a lot in the context of a player looking for a group. It’s not a lot in the context of “an actual GM could manually remove these in like 5 minutes given the proper tools”.

So maybe it’s something Blizzard needs to give up on automating and actually moderate. Idk. Yeah, automation is ideal, but if it doesn’t work, do something else about it.

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Probably have an addon that auto blocks

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Nope, I literally only run details. Not saying I never see ads, but not at all as many as shown here. Is there more when you search just for specific dungeons??