Hmmm my guess, 2200
Hmm is this Lonestar
If you think Ret wasn’t perfectly capable of R1 and winning games against pretty much everyone you’re just delusional. Plenty of people did it. Just because it feels bad to play sometimes and isn’t s++++ tier doesn’t mean it’s wasn’t good and i’m getting tired of people pretending otherwise because they couldn’t make it work.
Plenty of people would say Arms, Ret, and Rsham were 3 “not good” specs in S4 (rsham being mid tier) but Sterge, Smexxin and Vanguards played it to 3300 no problem.
Just because something wasn’t mage lock doesn’t mean it was bad.
It was B tier. Doesn’t mean it was good.
WHOH VANGUARDS WHO MANAGED TO GET RANK 1 IN MALEVOLENT SEASON WHEN RET WAS PRACTICALLY UNPLAYABLE GOT RANK 1 PLAYING WITH MULTI R1S?!?? WOOOOW.
Ret is capable of R1, but look at the sheer amount of ret r1, like 4-5 lmao and that’s the same 4-5 ret that’s gotten r1 for every season since cata/mop.
So unless you play with r1s or you are literally a god, ret is kinda mehh
Pikachu was actually a legion r1 but ya.
If a single person got rank 1 on it that means that if anyone else isn’t gettgin rank 1 on the class it’s because they aren’t good enough, not their class. Like what?!
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So you’re telling me there’s not really a reason why when a spec get 3 R1 and 4-5 other ones get 40-60?
I swear you people make stuff up. Like read what I write and respond to that. Did I say anything about this? I explicitly said that it clearly wasn’t a good as other specs. It clearly wasn’t as good as DK mage lock rogue and plenty of other classes.
That doesn’t mean it’s bad. That means the other classes are better. You could win plenty of games perfectly fine as ret. Clearly not as easily as other comps or classes, but there were plenty of people winning games as Ret.
The fact thats its only been the same rets getting R1 every season is a reason enough that proves that ret is trash. Otherwise there would be new ret getting r1.
The only thing that this proves is that people would rather take an easier / more enjoyable route to getting higher rating. Humans seek the path of least resistance this is no great discovery. It doesn’t mean ret is bad.
ret was bad in bfa. seems like blizz is overcorrecting
i swear you’re the new lonestar saying stuff like this
maybe we’re not happy because we don’t like the design of the spec? not everyone likes being a nuclear bomb strapped to a wheelchair? not that hard to understand
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Underwhelming defensive. 2 minute defensive that is about as strong as a mage shield.
Borderline useless against many comps nowadays, with how many purges exist in the game.
5 minute cd.
This isn’t a defensive for the Paladin
This, when used reactively, can only be used on a teammate. Can only be used on self proactively. If a Ret is pre-sancing your stuns on him? Hes outplaying you thoudandfold but youll probably still win.
Yes.
30% is hardly a sprint, but there’s even some snares nowadays that circumvent freedom
Divine Steed is, hands down, the most garbage mobility cooldown in the game.
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So we are complaining about a Paladin being able to heal for more than a Death Knight? The fact that Death Knight’s can heal at all is pretty bewildering to me (same with all non-hybrid healer classes). I mean, don’t you have a battle res? That is something Paladin’s should have had since they came out and first had in WC3. Don’t you have pets and healing mitigation? Don’t you have dot’s and ranged interrupts (plural)? Don’t you have literally everything that Paladin has but better outside of healing? Oh wait… DK’s had better healing than Ret Paladins literally all of BFA and previous expansions.
My main has always been a Paladin and my primary alt became a DK since they came out in WotLK. I can tell you with an absolute certainty that DK’s will always be chosen over a Ret Paladin in every single situation. So ya, the fact that they can heal more finally than a Death Strike spamming DK? I’m not really upset for the future of my DK.
Furthermore, Death Strike allows for you to stay offensive because it only requires Runic Power. You are still spending your runes to chunk or put on healing mitigation via Necro Strike. Paladin is literally using his weakest abilities to build up Holy Power just to dump into pure healing, nothing else.
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Can’t battle rez in arenas this isnt wotlk dk. No one is complaining about Word of glory near as much as they did Death Strike in previous patches.
because this is prepatch wog isn’t a problem on beta, at least i haven’t heard ppl complaining about it
death strike was op in actual arena seasons
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Death Strike was horrible this season. Word of Glory on beta still heals for huge amounts of hp just like pre patch.
i haven’t seen any complaints about it on the beta forums or ppl that stream beta
that’s why i said was op past tense
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I feel like you’re another me.
I used to say this all the time. Mainly when people threw my trigger word out there… viable
They think viable means easy 
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Disclaimer: I’m not saying anything about anything in particular other than what I quoted. I don’t play ret and have no opinions on the matter. I just found it refreshing to see someone else say that basically, if a class CAN hit R1, then it’s good. Some seasons it’s just far easier to do than others.
Prot pallies heal better than holy pallies rn.
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