Worst statement I’ve ever seen.
It doesn’t matter how much damage ret does, and it doesn’t matter how much healing ret does, because anybody remotely sane agrees that current ret design in terms of mechanics is utter trash.
It has been poorly designed since the cLaSs FaNtAsY “reworks” in Legion. And quite frankly, i think it will continue to be so because blizz seem to design the class nowadays for dum roleplayers or some crap, and blizz refuses to do anything about their base design.
You could be a Arms warrior with no baseline healing period. 
i guess even if you get the most revamped kit of any class in shadowlands arms war will still complain about self healing
Seems like a lot of you guys haven’t played cata.
Everyone else dismantled your rant pretty effectively, so no reason to go point by point.
FWIW, no one pre-sancs Stuns on themselves. I’ve watched all the r1s play, you always save it for teammates.
Ret was a complete dumpster for pretty much all of BfA. How much success did vanguards have in BfA s3? After the s1 nerfs the spec just had mathematical disadvantages against the majority of the t1 comps. For most people (myself included) it wasn’t fun having to win a race every game with smaller wheels.
Sure if you’re one of the best players in the world playing with others as good as you it’s viable. Most games you had 1-2 mistakes against good teams then you lose. Meanwhile the top comps could make a dozen mistakes and not be punished. That’s not “get good”, that’s better buttons.
Ask any long time Ret players and our current toolkit is full of holes. Most of it is due to the “legion fantasy” where we were slow moving juggernauts, but low and behold we die so easily now we are just slow. Maybe the tide will turn, can’t really tell until s1 of SL. Ret is more fun to play right now than in BfA, I enjoy the ability to reactively mitigate damage with healing.
The unfortunate history of the spec is for it to be generically competitive in ranked play it’s overpowered in casual play. Their design won’t allow that to be different.
imagine balancing the game during pre patch and not at endgame which will be lvl 60, seems like most of you guys never played a pre patch before in your lifes
these ppl complaining about ret now would lose their mind if they played against wotlk prepatch ret
literally 123 rotation with no damage setup whatsoever just whackamole whatever button lights up while everything melts
Original DK are still the most broken class ever implemented. An entire season of dispelling dots from blood plague ticks, self Rez, DND fear, that fear dropping you through the ground. Then that turned into the shadowfrost build.
Ret was pretty heavily nerfed in Early Wrath compared to that prepatch. They got a buff in s2 and were really competitive after that.
ya wasn’t implying that iteration of ret was the most busted spec ever just that ret has been way more busted than it is currently
and yea nothing comes close to launch dk lol you could write a book on how broken they were
dnd fear glyph
bone shield giving ridiculous armor
blood plague so powerful that it made druids literally unplayable
insanely low cd ibf (think it was 1 min?)
ams absorbing ur entire health bar and lasting like 10 sec
able to kill ppl from 30 yards away by just spamming icy touch
chains starting at 90% then decreasing every second
ghoul rez after death
sure there’s a lot more i’m missing as well
I think we need a WoW All-Stars game where people can pick the most broken specs of all time to play against each other just like they do in those sports games where you can pick overpowered teams like the '93 Bulls. We could have WotLK S1 DK’s, MoP S1 BM Hunters, BfA S4 Destro’s, Mages (any season), etc. I’d put my money on MoP S1 BM Hunter over anything else.
That was stampede right? My money is either on BfA destro or OG DK.
Yeah. If I remember correctly you could just tap your stampede button with your pinky at any point in the game and kill someone immediately. It’s been a while though so maybe it’s exaggerated in my mind.
Don’t forget lichborne healing with Deathcoil.
And they could ghoul Rez dead teammates
Desecration slow on Scourge Strike that created ground slows druids couldnt shift out of.
Hysteria lasting 30 seconds and dealing 1% health damage per second so you were effectively immune to poly and sap.
Player Ghoul self destruction dealing your total HP in aoe damage.
200% spell crit damage.
Dancing Rune Weapon doing 100% of your damage but acted on an aggro table, seeking out a healer so you could do 100% damage to two people at the same time.
If I remember season 5 wotlk right, mut rogues, surv hunters, and arcane mages were also pretty OP, but not to the degree of shadowfrost dks.