There’s also a ton of feedback from players who don’t want it, (and they’d be ‘in the right’ since there’s no justification for adding it to an expansion where it never existed).
Arguably, they are the ones you need to impress, since the TBC design framework supports them.
It’s not our fault that you can’t seem to come to grips that people don’t want a thing you want.
We dont want dual spec… just the loudmouthes that speak as if their 0.01% of the population is what everyone wants.
Yes we do.
The numbers say so:
The video lists three key elements… Inconvenience, accomplishment, and social interaction.
I don’t think “inconveniences” make a game fun. But inconvenience is necessary for the other two things.
Old WoW forced you to be social because you couldn’t do anything without other people, but being social takes effort. Having to find a group takes effort. If you don’t have to be social to accomplish your goals, or worse if being social slows you down, then you won’t be social.
One of the things I hate most about the original version of dungeon finder was that it would give you a scaling buff for the number of people in your group who were from the dungeon finder. Basically, if you used the dungeon finder, you would get a 5% buff to your damage, healing, and stats. But if you queued with friends you got nothing.
The purpose of that buff was to make content a bit easier since you were in a group full of randoms. But the end result of the buff was to penalize playing with your friends. The entire design of the dungeon finder was anti-social, and it allowed you to get everything you want in a couple days of grinding easy dungeons.
The ideal MMO maximizes social interactions, while making the things you do feel meaningful without being needlessly grindy(and thus boring).
The question then is, does the 50g respec make the things you do in the game feel more meaningful? Does it encourage more social interaction?
To put it another way, does the 50g respec make the game more fun?
For me, yes.
It gives me a reason to keep playing the game if I want to change specs and helps prevent me from raid logging. And I enjoy playing tbc, so farming isn’t an issue. I could see having to farm being an issue if you don’t enjoy the game to begin with though. Just means your playing the wrong game and should change games instead of trying to make the game change for you.
Thing is, Dual Spec would still be behind a 1000g paywall. That’s an inconvenience.
It’s no problem with folks like me. I’m thrifty. I save my gold and spend it appropriately. At the same time I’ve grouped with people who are still using Level 30 Land Mounts at level 70.
As much as people like to post “farm and get gud” I know I can’t hold everyone to my standard.
Acting like 1k gold cost comes even close to the 50g per respec cost that would be used through the life of tbcc without dual spec…
Adding dual spec would save people a lot of gold in the long run and it goes against the games design as stated by the devs of the time when they said “no” to dual spec.
Rewards need to be proportional to the effort. Something doesn’t become meaningful just because it takes a lot of effort. It has to feel like it is worth doing.
Imagine a quest that wants you to kill one mob. Now imagine a quest that wants you to kill 10 mobs, or 20 mobs, 50 mobs, 100 mobs, 500 mobs, 1000 mobs.
The quest that wants you to kill 1000 mobs isn’t automatically more meaningful than the quest that wants you to kill a single mob, even if it takes 100 times longer to complete. Especially if the rewards from the quest don’t make it worth doing. People will just skip it. And those who do it won’t be celebrated, they’ll be mocked.
Effort is a good thing, but effort is not what makes a game fun. No one would grind for the sake of grinding. A lot of people grinded rank 14 in early Classic because the gear was BiS, but very few were willing to grind rank 14 when you could get much better gear in raids.
Imagine if in order to use rank 14 gear you had to maintain rank 14(or rank 13, 12, etc). You would not only have to grind to hit rank 14, but you would have to keep grinding week after week to keep it.
That would require a lot of effort, but would it feel meaningful and rewarding?
Would it be fun?
Effort without reward is misery. Which is why in the Myth of Sisyphus the punishment was to roll a boulder up a hill, just for it to roll back down, for eternity. The punishment wasn’t the effort, but rather the pointlessness of it.
It would be like being forced to do the same level 1 quest, over and over again for eternity. It isn’t that it is hard, but that is it pointless. You’re forever running in place.
This is basically how PvP works.
Imagine they doubled the price of all PvP gear. Would that make PvP feel more meaningful? Would that make PvP more fun?
Riger thinks it would.
Riger and Zipzo are just fumbling for excuses just because they enjoy having a contrary opinion. That’s literally all it is at this point.
Like I said earlier, you got people like Nocht and Enigmuh who play the game and are content to say, “I don’t want Dual Spec” and leave it at that. If it gets implemented, it gets implemented. If it doesn’t, then it doesn’t.
Then you get people like Riger and Zipzo who start lying or spreading misinformation about it for no reason other than poisoning the well.
And folks will poison the well if they feel they’re justified in doing so. I don’t put it past them. People do lie and spread misinformation if they feel they get something out of it.
Thing is, Riger and Zipzo are entirely motivated by self-interest. I, at the very least, have admitted I don’t really want this for myself so much as I want it for other folks in my guild who I group and raid with.
Clearly if someone disagrees with you they must be liars…
From what i see the majority does not.
No dual spec.
Nobody cares to save gold (as @100g/pop w/o this feature ppl wont respec in 90% of the time, even if they would love to), its the convenience feature, not to having redo your keybings and such. U dont respec, so no 1 need this… Its adding more sanity to the game that lost majority of its good vibe, specially PVP.
So, its time to ring in some goods that can help the game from being ditched by both, Blizz and the players, by seeing recent changes, or more like no changes other than $$$ shop.
You are one more smuck that doesnt want to get it, due to no argument at all, just a complaint for nothing.
Say, a tank, specced to PVP, wont spec back till Raid time few days later, even tho he has hard time to get into heroic, cause he cant seem ti find that tank. Now, if he could respec with ease, he would do it, evem if the pug grp sucked and had hard time to clr the content, didnt cost him any extras, he is fine with that. Should he pay for it, and healer cant keep him alive, he would be going crazy inside, paying to respec, get nothing done… He would more likely never do it again unless that hassle was removed. But u cant get that, its all about u.
So, specially all the pug players would love it the most.
Just dont use it, yet u gonna benefit from it, u just cant figure how, cant u? You must have big problem with having gold, since your likes always talk about gold in the 1st place.
There is an addon to chose the talents and set up the keybinds from presaved setups.
So yes, the gold cost is the reason people are complaining.
If you are playing the game a lot you’d have time to farm a few hours a week. If you don’t like farming you’re probably not really into old style RPGs.
You keep saying that these people have time to play a lot but don’t have time to farm. Again, I get the feeling they just hate to farm. Surely they could switch from playing the “fun stuff” for a few hours one day a week to earn the gold.
Sorry, people generally call it like they see it. Your post isn’t compelling.
The majority of the posts I’ve read here cite the gold and farming as the issue.
Not really, that is certainly one reason, people have pointed out the entire experience is cludgy beyond just the gold farming.
Sorry Ziryus, that’s what I’ve read. People are saying they don’t have time or the desire to farm. People are saying they cant afford to change spec multiple times per day/week. This is what I’m reading, that you digest the posts differently is on you.
If they want to save a spec to swap easily,
There goes that complaint.
What else is there to be upset about? Going to old world to a trainer? OMG, the sky will surely fall.
How about we make the biggest change ever and just delete the world. We can make a lobby area resembling SW or Org with discord imbedded into the game and just queue for instances. 
That’s because you are very selectively reading, including that I acknowledged farming as one of the reasons. And yes if you don’t understand why someone is more likely to stop playing than spend more time farming than the time they’ll spend in said spec I don’t know what to tell you.
But that’s typical coming from DPS who don’t understand why tanks/healers might switch frequently.