With near universal approval can we get a response about dual spec please

Why did you ask this question in the way that you did? What was the purpose?

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Your question is whether you should respect his opinion.

What you did is grossly use the social subject of race as a tool to mislead me in to a question about whether you should respect someone’s opinion because they engage in potentially undesirable behavior. Using the n-word as your vessel to highlight such behavior.

I give you a reasonable answer, that his opinion on dual spec should be respected sure, but his potential racism probably not.

The fact that, in reality, he’s black and can “validly use” the n-word, I guess in this circumstance, doesn’t give you any kind of moral conversational win. You just left out information. I also didn’t jump to any conclusions. I simply based the premise of my response on the clearly intended goal of your question: to pose a gatch’a.

You’re disgusting and pathetic.

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Nope. I am very meticulous about my wording because I know you like to ask loaded questions. So what I said was:

It was never about whether or not I should. I was asking you if that was what you were saying. Huge difference.

See, if you ask a loaded question, I’m not going to answer it. Period. Because it’s tailored to trap me. If you were a nuanced individual, as you seem to think you are, then you’d realize that.

You keep on doing this. Do you think by calling your answer “reasonable” it inherently just makes it so? That’s your entire line of dialogue. Everything begins and ends with you, you, you. You think you’re reasonable. Therefore you are. You think I’m unreasonable. Therefore I am.

That’s the beginning and end of any discussion with you. It’s why you find me annoying, by the way. Because I’m just not playing that game. I’m calling your out for exactly who you are and what you’re doing.

Because it wasn’t relevant. It was just incidental. You are the one who put a spotlight on it. Not me. I was just mentioning it in passing and even told you that’s what was going on when you asked me.

Stop attributing “nuance” to yourself if you don’t understand this.

You aren’t even discussing dual spec, nor is this entire distraction you’ve created yourself out of thin air even remotely related to why dual spec should be added TBC at the cost of the players who disagree with the mentality of too many changes.

I don’t know what point you think you’re making, but it’s still pathetic.

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You’re always welcome to report me for topic deviation if that’s what you think. :wink:

zip very honorable and all continuing to engage him but id recommend just muting him

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This may very well have been the straw. Good lookin’ out :+1:

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In my case it won’t impact me. Prot Paladin in my guild would love to have it, along with a Prot Warrior, a Holy Paladin, and a Rogue who wants to switch between PvP and PVE.

Can you explain exactly what is bad about dual-spec? I’ve asked multiple people about in my guild and there wasn’t one person that was against paying 1k gold to be able to dual-spec. It literally makes the game more fun, why wouldn’t you want it to be more fun?

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For reference, this poster right here, definitely doesn’t like fun. This person is also apparently against dual-spec. Makes total sense.

I truly don’t think this concept is understood by the people who visit these forums.

In case it hasn’t been made clear enough, whether or not the feature is “fun” is not really related to whether it belongs in the game.

I like dual spec, I think it was a great feature when it got added.

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So explain, in your all so well spoken detail, why something that would be fun, and many people would like to have in the game, shouldn’t be in the game because it wasn’t apart of your precious TBC experience in 2007? Changes have happened, changes are going to continue to happen, this is a change that would be very welcomed by anyone but the #nochanges community. We’re all okay with same faction BG’s, characters boosts, paladins on the alliance getting their little fun change. No one cares about any of this besides people on this forum. They welcome it, dual spec would allow me to have an affliction spec and a destro spec. It’d allow my priest friend to be shadow and holy. It’d allow a tank that can’t tank in raid at a specific moment to be holy in raid if necessary. What is the issue? You don’t like changes, is that it?

Explain why it should be brought forward. You’re getting it. Why can’t you just wait?

Do you not want anything to look forward to when WoTLK drops?

Financially, it makes zero sense for Bliz too. It’s a very popular drawcard feature. It will likely pull more people into the game when WoTLK comes. Why give up such a drawcard early for very little return? They want to keep the classic franchise and milk it as much as possible. Why blow all their cards on TBC?

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I’m paying $15/month to play on a server that promises to be as-close-to-TBC-as-possible.

Yes, there are “some changes”, however, it’s arguable that those changes have even been good for the game up to this point, depending on the change we’re talking about. Look at arena changes for example, it’s been a disaster. The 58 boost, also a disaster.

It makes the most sense to just default to a set-in-stone guideline that we all know, and therefore cannot contest. The best way to truly experience TBC…is make it how it was in TBC.

I’m not playing here for TBC with features from later expansions added. I’m playing here to experience TBC without features from later expansions. That’s…the entire point of playing an older version of the game. Before dual spec. Before LFD. Before “bring the player not the class”.

At this point you might as well also have them completely change the classes for better balance, and basically ask for changes in an identical way that people ask for changes in retail. What’s even the difference to you?

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I’m sorry you had to deal with this, zipzo. this dual spec “debate” is getting ridiculous. I think these proponents are just children who need a firm “No”, and nothing more.

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As if dual-spec is the only drawcard of WotLK. lmao. It makes perfect sense to keep players playing the game that may be already getting bored with the way it is right now. A small minority of players saying “No” shouldn’t control what the majority of players would enjoy. This forum holds a very loud minority that likes screaming “No” at QoL changes because it may degradate their precious TBC 2007 experience on the Legion engine, with nothing but changes.

I’m sorry, where is your proof that a large majority want dual spec?

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“Proof” Why don’t you just talk to people about it within your guild, on your server, anywhere really? See how many people you get actually saying dual-spec would be bad for the game. This forum, with the loudest minority, isn’t the best place to gauge player interest.

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