Make Wintergrasp a BG with a weekly quest, completing the Quest gives you a Key (works like a 1 week attunement) that lets you enter Vault of Archavon for 1 reset, the key disolves every reset day so you need to win Wintergrasp once a week to have access.
Wintergrasp gets Cross realm BG treatment (there is really only 4 servers anyways on NA)
Winning that Wintergrasp gives you an item that temporarily “attunes” you to Vault of Archavon
This way Wintergrasp can still function as a PvP ground, you still are super incentized to win AND you dont have to deal with a 10 tenacity stacked DK grip 1 shotting everyone because of population imbalance buff.
I can speak from experience when I say that tenacity does not help one bit when you’re outnumbered by 80. You just get stun locked while the other 30-40 nearby players murder you before diminishing returns kick in.
As much as I’d like fairness because WG was fun they never got the WG balance issues right back then, and I have zero hopes they’ll fix it now.
making it a psuedo BG by default removes the population imbalance and by extension tenacity, it also opens the door for same faction BG if that ever becomes an issue and to your “tenacity” is fine reasoning i raise you
yeah lets not repeat that
with our current super servers your looking at 40+ tenacity, 10 horde on benediction in WG, 10 alliance on Faerlina. remember were comparing old school 5k pop servers to todays 25-30k pop.
what do you think 10 horde on benediction would have? 60-80-100 stacks?
There were lots of old videos like that and they all ended with the guy with tenacity getting killed. I couldn’t tell you how many times I’d pop in to a WG with 20 stacks and manage to kill 5-6 til I got swarmed and GY camped.
In the end nobody want to lose WG every time, everybody wants the perks of holding it, and bliz is going to cash in on that fact come wrath. They’re probably banking on paid transfers for disgruntled peeps on lopsided factions.
Wintergrasp is a world PVP event, this is an event that should take place on PVP Servers, but because of the current situation where they want to destroy PVP servers, and make them PVE, something that doesn’t make any sense, the best solution is to return wow to the essence, since the creation of the classic, there have always been PVP and PVE servers, in which we wanted PVP servers, who wanted servers with both factions, with world PVP, with all the immensity of content that PVP servers has to offer we have to see the servers get destroyed??? why do we have to accept silence and pay the bill if we didn’t do anything wrong??? why do we have to accept this happening if we choose our right server which is a PVP server and not a PVE???
PVE players, there have always been PVE servers, it’s not our fault if you chose your wrong server, now we can’t accept that you destroy PVP servers and turn them into PVE.
and now you still want blizzard to make it easy and do something about wintergrasp? Are you kidding? turning a BG could even be, but the best choice would be to return the servers to the way they should really be, PVP servers have both factions and the PVE if you want to be just one faction, whatever because it makes no difference to them
a server with 100,000+ players and 25-35 layers going at all times?
Its not that i principle disagree with you, but is it practical? think about whats going to happen to the current mega servers when Wrath Launches and you have returning players and “streamer” hype once again, I remember when Herod had 3-5 hour ques, what do you think the ques will be like on benediction? Faerlina? the Auction house is already falling apart due to the massive amount traffic it gets do you think the very fabric of the servers would hold up with there population trippled into a single server?
I would love to have 50/50 server like Firemaw EU (which they have shut down new character creation on because the network the server is on cannot handle it) but then i must contend with the reality that its not currently possible and definetly wont be possible by Wrath release later this year.
But then again your point is all over the place i was on Herod when it was a 55/45 split at the beginning of classic-vanilla and i stayed upto the point it only had a pop of sub 1500, its entirely irrelevant though because you can “want” to WPvP all day if all the alliance left to benediction your PvP server by default is now a PvE one you have no say in the matter. Again solution’s is the point here, if they leave servers as is and just implement WG than at best it will be fun streamer content for the 10 horde on benediction or the 10 alliance on Faerlina to run through Wintergrasp with 40?50?60?70? stacks of Tenacity for laughs.
your not killing a blood DK self healing for 50k a death strike with 300k+ hp whos heart strikes and obliterates hit for 60-70k, in that vid the DK only had 20 stacks and this was on servers far less imbalanced then the one’s we have now that also had 8-10x less the population.
the server would not be 100k+, the server would be 59k. 30k alliances vs 29k horde (Benediction+faerlina+sulfuras, in the exemple)
I’m a PVE player I’m terrified of pvp, I don’t ever want to see a fight near me, ok no problem release free migrations so PVE players can go to their respective PVE realms…, what’s the problem with that?
So is that what you want? that the server really becomes PVE, that wintergrasp is a place where the horde for being 30k of alliance vs 300 horde, the horde becomes immortal and and massacres alliance, because of the stacks?? all because you want to destroy the PVP servers and make them PVE with only one faction? lol
I can’t understand how blizzard let this situation get to this level, this is being completely unfair to us players who choose to create our characters on PVP Servers, who want everything PVP servers have to offer, and you PVE players who should have created their characters on PVE servers and now they want and fight for the PVP servers to be destroyed and stay as they are, that makes no sense, that’s not fair, it’s not fair that we are harmed by something that we are not to blame.
server pops are imbalanced because people want to have a healthy PvE experience… and a healthy amount of players to arena with so they gravitate to a single server
and how would instance Wintergrasp have an imbalance in population? does AV have an imbalanced pop? if you DONT instance it and leave it strickly as a WPvP engagement with server population you will have 1000:1 scenario’s.
like your not even making a coherent point here, and you don’t seem to understand inherently why server’s get imbalanced to begin with.
The #1 goal is to have others to play with, to enjoy PvP OR PvE it does not matter. When one faction clusters on a server they disincentivize the other faction to stay. The servers are falling apart under current Mega server population which will get worse in early wrath and even worse if they choose to merge all current NA mega servers together. People who PvP far more than yourself want to do it on Faerlina, not because there are no Alliance but because its where they can find the best PvPers on there faction to play with. The same goes for Bene.
That is the reality of the playerbase, in Classic as it is in Retail.
I can already see that you can characterize you as a troll, from the moment I don’t agree with your point of view, you’re trying to ridicule me by saying something like that, just because I don’t agree with you, it just shows your level of maturity to be able to have a civil conversation, so I see no reason to keep wasting time here with you
This is what i mean by coherence, my proposal would remove tenacity from even existing because you would never have an imbalance in population during a WG game… just like every other current BG
when you say “destroying a PvP server” by doing what exactly? the two largest PvP servers are 99% horde and 99% Alliance… what world pvp is being destroyed?
Again im not sure if this is just possibly a language barrier or not but reading your post it does not make sense, nor do you describe what you actually want. in your post you complained about how tenacity wouldnt be fair… my solution specifically removes tenacity from even existing by virtue of every WG being a BG que… so there is no population imbalance… and no tenacity.
it is exactly these servers that were destroyed, the Benediction, Faerlina, whitemane, sulfuras servers and etc.
fixing wintergrasp, it’s just going to be a pat on the back from Blizzard telling you to leave the servers as they are, and that’s not the idea.
the idea is to fix the PVP Servers, so I would most likely not need to redo the whole wintergrasp, or God knows what will need to be done
The PvP servers are imbalanced because of racials and initially shaman vs Paladin faction exclusivity.
in Wrath it will be exclusively because of racials Horde ones in PVE, Alliance one’s in PvP
There is no feasible solution to population imbalance that the playerbase will accept, remove racials in Wrath and alliance will cry “now that were going to be good you remove it, horde favoritism” and the general playerbase will complain “I made an Orc Warrior for Bloodfury in PvE, I made a Troll caster for berserking” etc etc
“The idea is to fix PvP servers” well… you would need an actual solution and you cannot “fix” player behaviour people will always gravitate to where they can play with the most players for a better dungeon,raiding,BG and Arena experience.
and on top of that fact the framework to hold a super-merged mega server is not currently possible, so you can either keep yelling at the wind or you can come up with feasible solutions, keeping in mind player behaviour, tech limitations and the essence of the game.
The least disruptive thing is to make Wintergrasp a battleground in which winning allows you to enter Vault of Archavon for a week, and you need to do this weekly if you want to continue doing Vault. This has the added benefit of removing the hilarity that will ensue from current server population doing WG in a open world format due to Tenacity (10 horde on Benediction, 10 alliance on Faerlina) and it as a default gives the under pop faction a more enjoyable experience in WG as there number will be balanced against there opponent like in every BG currently.
and that will solve what? if that happens, and the benediction horde, for example, wins the key to be able to go to the raid, how will she do it if there’s no people to do it? that solved what? this would just be convenient for you PVE guys who want the servers to stay as they are and that’s not right!
there are several things that can be done, if for you this issue of mega servers is a problem, one thing can be done, for example all characters that are on PVP Servers, will have to choose the PVP servers again, but now the servers will have a block being when a faction reaches the amount of 55%, the other 45% must be from the other faction, they cannot exceed this limit, if the server manages to stay 50% for each side ok, but otherwise the maximum has already been stipulated.
Blizzard is going to do what they think makes them the most amount of money.
They care nothing about fairness, faction balance, a good experience, the quality of the game, the integrity of the game. None of that matters one bit. It’s just $$$$$.
