I’m looking at this bit and trying to decide what it means. (It’s covered in the first minute of this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPF2JP-tLcw). The Winter Queen is P.O.'d at Elune for not helping her in her need. Elune says she sent a cascade of souls to her aid which apparently refers to the burning of Teldrassil and the death of all those Nelfs. The Winter Queen says they all went to the maw and Elune replies that she’s condemned her favored children. I’m not sure what this scene/dialog is telling me. Does Elune somehow bear responsibility for the burning of the tree in order to help her sister? Is Sylvanas not entirely to blame for the burning? Thoughts anyone?
Elune, as we now can see, has no sight and minimal power within the SL. It’s not her realm. She heard a distress call, but there was no direct line of communication between her and the Winter Queen. So she had no idea about the Maw and felt terrible that she just launched all those night elf souls into it, originally believing they would continue peacefully to live in Ardenweald. Death is not an end, it’s just another beginning.
Elune is not responsible for Teldrassil though. For the most part she always lets the night elves fight their own battles. No one knew Sylvanas was going to burn it until the last possible second when she changed her mind. Elune would’ve had no warning. She just tried to make the best of a bad situation to help the Winter Queen and the fallen night elves at the same time.
100% of the blame is still Sylvanas and the Horde. They’re the ones who attacked in the first place and caused it all. Elune just feels bad that she unintentionally made things worse for those who died and wasn’t paying close enough attention.
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She is. As is the Horde.
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Depends on whether or not you believe in a burden of responsibility to help. Elune was able to put her followers to sleep so they’d die painlessly. Can she just not put the enemies to sleep? Would’ve been helpful to put the invading army to sleep so they’d halt their advance. Guess Elune was too busy or something for that one.
I’ve heard people say she only has the power to put her own followers to sleep which, if that is the case, makes Elune the lamest goddess with the lamest powers ever.
Winter Queen: “How dare you come here sister after our cries for aid went unheard, unanswered.”
Elune’s voice: “I heard your cries, felt your pain, and in the wake of tragedy sent forth the cascade of souls to sustain you.”
It seems like the Winter Queen expected Elune to know she needed help and Elune’s response indicates that this message was received. So is it just tragic yet fortuitous circumstance that the Horde burned Teldrassil just at the time when Elune needed to help her sister with a cascade of souls? If the Night Elf souls were expected to go to Ardenweald anyway, then Elune would have no need to ‘send’ them, but she says she sent them. You can’t have a soul without death and Elune says she condemned her favored children. I’m not trying to let the Horde or Sylvanas off the hook, but it seems to me there might be more to this than just Sylvanas got p.o.'d and changed her mind about the tree.
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You’re looking at this wrong. Both the anima drought and the Burning of Teldrassil were due to the Jailer’s machinations. It wasn’t a coincidence. If one didn’t happen, the other also wouldn’t.
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She says she condemned them because even though she reached out to try and basically bypass the Arbiter and send the souls of the dead right to Ardenweald, it didn’t work. We don’t know why it didn’t work, but that’s why she felt guilt for doing it. Elune tried to make the best of a situation she couldn’t directly intervene in (the Burning) but it wasn’t enough. The Night Elves were going to the Maw anyway, regardless of what she did.
In terms of interventions, Elune is about equivalent to the Light, which means that stopping the Burning was outside of her sphere. She could soothe those who were trapped there, but actually halting the flames of a tree the size of an island was beyond her.
Of course this is just working backwards, the real reason is that the writers wanted the Burning to happen and so ignored every way it could be stopped. They didn’t expect the backlash nor to have so many holes poked into it so they’ve been scrambling to justify it happening.
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By far the most enraging part about all of this for me is that Elune doesn’t even seem to care now and that all the Night Elf souls ended up being obliterated instead of atleast trying to save them…
The Winter Queen gave us hope about freeing the souls eventually, yet that never happened…
Nope, absolutely not. This was Sylvanas. Elune did not convince Sylvanas to do it. Elune had nothing to do with it.
The only thing Elune did was fall for what equates to a trap. While she knew about the drought in some fashion, she didn’t know the system was so broken that souls would be funnelled into the Maw, and she sent them right in there. Which isn’t her fault. Again, she had no way of knowing things had gotten this bad.
This just makes Elune… Lesser than she was before. And it sucks. It’s terrible that WoW’s last real mystery got revealed as “just another titan-like being”.
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they destroyed elune …out of spite i suppose…
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lmao I knew you would delete that one 
What the hell do you post that makes you delete so much?
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Just like they destroyed everything else about Night Elves… and to tell us that the Night Elves have no hope of ever coming back they also had their souls obliterated in the maw once and for all.
She’s not supposed to supplant the Player Characters as the Hero.
In that case, I said that the Night Elves should abandom Elune because she is a worthless goddess. It’s weird stuff mostly, that I’m not proud of, that gets deleted.
Maybe Elune is not allowed to directly intervene like that?
Most fantasies have rules like this when gods and angels take active roles in the story.
If one god moves then the other gods can move too which defeats the whole purpose of taking action in the first place.
So maybe Elune could only make a move because those Night Elves were going to die anyway so her actions wouldn’t impact anything.
But her making the entire Horde go to sleep against their will in the middle of a war… some other god in favor of Horde’s war could take an equally big action.
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that nonsense, the titans did this all the time…blizzard forced this story no matter the costs…and later on explained that elune couldn´t do anything …because they don´t can change this after the event allready happened…so in other words…they framed elune as powerless and meaningless to explain their burning -story…and because the hero must fix everything…instead of take care of a good story.
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You speak of divine intervention and I think of the Trojans and their fight with the Greeks. The gods took sides in that one, sometimes with telling effect. Elune makes no sense to me. She accepted Tyrande and imbued her with the spirit of the night warrior, and then that spirit leaves when Sylvanas could have been cut down. I hear some saying Elune attempted to bypass the arbiter and send souls directly to Ardenweald, but I also hear that Elune has no power in SL which might suggest what she attempted simply wasn’t possible. There are too many seeming contradictions in this narrative. As a devil’s advocate, I could suggest that Elune put it in the dying Nelf’s mind to pity Sylvanas knowing it might push her over the edge, which it did. Some say this is all the work of the Jailer but it would seem he could only work through agents outside of SL. The original plan, as I understand it, was to hold the tree hostage, but that contradicts the narrative suggested by Varok that the intent was always to cause a bloodbath. I am minded of something I saw on the World War Two (YouTube) channel: “Anyone who isn’t confused doesn’t really understand the situation”–Edward R Murrow.
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I’m more inclined to think she in some manner could have “flagged” the souls before they actually crossed over, so that the Arbiter would see said “flags” and know to send them specifically to Ardenweald.
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I don’t know if she tried to bypass the Arbiter, or she just tried to send them to her faster than normal. Not every Night Elf goes to Ardenweald just because they’re a Night Elf, even under normal circumstances. Some are in Revendreth, and I believe some are in Bastion as well. She could have just rightfully assumed most would end up there, due to their strong natural-connection.
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