Windwalker is Looking Incredibly Doomed for 10.2

There must be a Good show on Side to miss WW balance ea time i guess we are unlucky. #copium

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The optimistic take is it means we might get a monk rework with fated season. But the real take is where is my 10% rsk damage?

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That the copium talking :stuck_out_tongue: yeah i want an rework but we Def need a buff right now we are to far behind in dps to be even be worth bringing in keys or Raid which is sad

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Chi mist is copium its basically lore accurate, what other then copium can keep away the emotions that make sha happen?

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This is downright bonkers getting missed this week. Even with something as simple as an acknowledgement that we, Windwalkers, are being specifically watched for future tuning. We have put out reams and reams of communication, sims, proposed adjustments/tuning tweaks, and now even logs to support us being in a tough place both design wise and tuning wise. Digging into the most generous depths of my optimism, both as a player and a creator of entertainment content I am not sure how much more helpful I can be. I simply donā€™t know what other data, feedback, or general positivity I can provide and feel like I am being heard.

So, I am going to take a page out of our old friend Tigoleā€™s book and see if we get any traction another way.


Whoever came up with this Sha-damned clusterflock of tier and class design can go Chi-Ji themselves. Do us all Windwalkers a favor so we donā€™t waste our own and our guildā€™s time with this kind of self torture again and come into the Peak of Serenity Discord to talk to us when you decide to:

  1. Change our Mastery Coefficient to 1.5 (currently 1.25)
  2. Change our aura(s) to be +5 (currently -3)
  3. Allow Blackout Reinforcement can stack up to 2 (currently 1)
  4. Actually make our class scale with stats
  5. Get rid of Feyline Stomp
  6. Get rid of Bone Dust Brew
  7. Look behind the couch and find us some real capstone talents (please avoid the burning dumpster this time)
  8. Get rid of SIX Touch of Death Talents

And please for Xuenā€™s sake ā€“ do it in that order then actually come to the discord to talk to us for future changes because if this is what weā€™re getting now, we canā€™t wait to see what state our hero talent trees are going to be in for War Within. Donā€™t worry, we wonā€™t be mean, but until we get an impression that someone with a blue name likes this class half as much as we do, we are certainly going to be salty and spicy.

And if you want to garner some good extra good will, maybe take a peak at all random bugs still plaguing the class as a whole. Brewmaster has some really low hanging fruit with their tier set still and the Gift of Ursine Vengeance trinket which just loves to randomly drop stacks when it shouldnā€™t making it next to useless.

Donā€™t have the resources to fix this stuff? Well damn, then send an email and ask our new boy Phil to do it, he looks like heā€™d not only be a monk player but would also love to make a ton of players still clinging to Windwalker happy. Either way, find something that works, because if you donā€™t, any and all work youā€™re putting into designing anything that even remotely touches this class for the remainder of this expansion and the next three, is as good as chucking it into the garbage.

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Yes to all of this please! Mastery and auras would be a nice easy fix they could throw in in like ā€¦ this patch ā€¦ or a hotfix ā€¦

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actual lol - gave me classic vibes

ā€œData enabled tuningā€ that buffs specs ahead of WW that also scale better than WW

Ty blizzard you are such cool guys keep it up!

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at this point the only way to be heard is to spam all the forums with post of ā€œfix WW monkā€ i dont see any response, no class tunning everything is silent about ww, im so pissed, having to raid from the bench is annoying af, my raid group is 4/9 M and iā€™m here waiting for blizz to give monk a buff to see if thereā€™s any hope of me getting into the prog group

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the fact that blizzard is STILL mic silent on this is just sad. why has windwalker been so reliant on borrowed power since legion and blizzard refusing to address the issue. even giving us a 20% aura buff would still place us around middle of the pack. when you need a 20% buff to be middle of the pack I think it shows just how disgusting of a state we are in

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We are total dumpster mode.
Overall dps

Damage to boss

But no buffs or reworks to be mention. Sadly WW monk was not even named in the recolor of Slands abilities like hunter and druid was namedā€¦ so not only can we expect ZERO buffs to dps, we can also expect ZERO changes to faeline.

**edit we are officially getting a color change for Faelineā€¦ into this weird Aztec Snake thing instead of the blue ground lasers it wasā€¦ Blizz made the ability look worse while keeping it as bad of an ability as it has always been.

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I remember back when the shadowlands prepatch was on the PTR, it took them weeks or even months to even put up the supposed changes that monks would have, no blueposts for several weeks, complete radio silence up until the very last stretch.

Honestly, I doubt there is any monk rework happening behind the curtains.

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Here is a fun thing about those chartsā€¦ Monk loses ranking as content difficulty, item level, and player skill level goes up.

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This aged poorly

Because of the changes to faeline? Lol. I mean it looks better now but itā€™s still kind of a flawed ability unless they make it also extend behind you somewhat ā€¦

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Only the recolor aged poorly. But yes, youā€™re correct blizzard did now somehow make an ability that has no business on monk, even uglierā€¦ now that it is this weird snake skin looking move but without a snake headā€¦ oh and its still stationary.

The rest is still true.

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Thatā€™s the point.

Those charts are the best gauge for how specs preform vs other specs in a game that requires us to preform well vs other specsā€¦ Hence the DPS chart that clearly shows WW monk is getting beat down right now.

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wut?

To be clear if you only look at Item level going up then WW gets worse. If you only look at player skill levels WW gets worse. If you only look at content difficulty WW only gets worse.

We scale backwards in everything. Poor skill level with bad gear in a guild that struggles with Normal raid will make you look like king of the DPS. Play with good gear in a mythic raid and you will be fighting to beat the tanks on DPS.

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The more I look at the faeline recolor, the more I dislike it.

It honestly comes off as a Zandalarie Aztec Snake Thingā€¦ not a WW monk smashing the ground.
https://nether.wowhead.com/video-stream/293473-jez-faeline-stomp?dataEnv=1&locale=0

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i dont mind bone dust brew and touch of death but overall we have to many touch of death talent that for sure ā€¦we could also get back windwalker buff instead being a talent and nerfed to ground because they gived it to Evoker ā€¦ what a joke . Would also be cool if they remove Statue talent we arnt shaman after all. talent need a big rework we do not get anything by goin ww exept an useless passive at level 10 every Core that make a windwalker come from talent which is pretty bad. Xuen/karma/flying kick .

remove all talent related to fof and sck&tod talent tree is almost empty xD. Lets hope next week we see a Big Buff but even then we want a Talent revamp for sure.

it feel so bad parsing 97-100% to be behind almost by double dps by a assassination rogue

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