Microsoft I have tried defending them for years. Can’t do it anymore. I am a Windows certified pro going back more than 20 years.
I have dealt with many versions of Windows both server and desktop. Supported many users and many different types of hardware.
Windows 11 will now require TPM and what’s worse it will also mean you NEED secure boot enabled.
I can do the pre-req to install Windows 11. Right now my system is not compatible because I am not using secure boot. I am not using secure boot because NVME can’t boot UEFI, because I installed it MBR instead of GPT. Great so now I have to reinstall windows as UEFI native reinstall all of my apps just so I can upgrade to Windows 11.
Tell me who is going to do this? Sure we can install Windows 11 in a VM but the idea is to to upgrade to get all the benefits… I think finally this will be the nail in the coffin for Windows. Some exec great idea for the future will be the end of Microsoft OS… finally.
This is going to be the most frustrating upgrade in Windows history. It’s going to make lots of people angry including myself… there is ZERO reason to require TPM. NONE.
It’s a gimmick and really only used by companies to protect their assets… but not consumers.
Anyway if you are thinking about Windows 11 I would advise FIRST enable TPM and Secure boot… and if you have NVME SSD drives see you can get Windows to boot WITHOUT the hassle of reinstalling… good luck.
After you find out it doesn’t work… how likely are you to change your entire system just for the benefit of a new OS? Probably none.
I was looking forward to Windows 11 as I do with all BETA Windows but this time I am out.
I am running Windows 10 into the ground… until it’s no longer supported by then Linux GUI or whatever OS that will become standard will take over.
Windows 10 was to be the LAST OS from Microsoft (you can google that if you want, it’s what Microsoft WROTE and STATED in their launch in 2015…). For me it’s going to be the LAST because of MS stupidity and apparent out of touch with their fan base… Sure you can believe MS might change their requirements… I don’t think so. At some point it will be a requirement to use TPM \ Secure boot. I have read a lot technical specs for Windows 11 and it’s all centered on those technologies.
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I’m right there with you in how utterly disappointed I am by this decision by a Microsoft. I can only hope that there is enough of an outcry that they decide to reverse the requirement.
What’s even more infuriating is that I’m running an AMD processor that’s maybe 3 years old but supports TPM 2.0, a brand new mobo (has to replace mine), and 32 go of ddr4 ram. I enabled TPM for my system and then went through the Microsoft Health Check and it still told me my processor wasn’t capable of supporting Windows 11.
Th is is where I’m going to now have to highly consider what I’m going to do post Windows 10. I know the new Apple computers won’t be able to run 11, so as a gander I’ll have to watch carefully what games I’m wanting to play at the time before considering a switch to Mac.
I just mean really Microsoft. Ugh!!!
Yeah I am looking at prices now to buy a Mac.
Everybody complains when a new windows comes out. Everybody gives in eventually. It’s normal.
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All my PCs are Windows 11 compatible. No issue for me.
I have used Windows since 3.1 and was always excited to try out each new version. Windows 10 is pretty good, almost as good as XP, but I haven’t read much about 11 yet.
It doesn’t impact me too badly since my main gaming rig is brand new (Ryzen 5000) and even if I had to wipe to install Win 11, it wouldn’t really matter because the only thing that’s on my windows box is games. All of my day-to-day is split between a company issued Mac (work) and my own Mac, so wiping the windows box isn’t a big deal since none of my life is on it and everything can easily be reinstalled from Steam/Bnet/GoG/etc.
Things aren’t so clear for my living room rig, which is running Skylake (i7-6700k). Its motherboard supports TPM 2.0 and just needs a module to be plugged in, but the CPU is technically unsupported. Apparently Win11 will install and run on it, but long term support isn’t a guarantee.
Windows 10 will continue to get patches until 2025 though, and chances are I’ll want/need to upgrade the living room rig before then anyway (between the bar for core count being risen from 2/4 to 6/8 and things like Direct Storage), so I’m not too worried. All in all I probably will have gotten a solid 6-7 years out of it as higher performance machine (gaming) and can always be repurposed for something else with Linux beyond that.
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Is there some compatibility website or something?
My PC has a SSD in it and windows was preinstalled. I don’t have a copy of the software. How the heck am I supposed to reinstall it?
Prebuilt computers usually have their license keys embedded in their firmware, which means you can use Microsoft’s media creation tool to make a Windows installer thumb drive, which you can then boot off of to wipe your SSD and do a clean install. After that, Windows will detect the firmware key and automatically activate itself.
Even in lieu of new versions of Windows, it’s a good idea to do this anyway because it’ll wipe away all the crapware the machine came with and give you standard Windows.
When Windows 10 came out six years ago (has it really been that long?), many people said that the consumers were merely beta testers. The real customer was enterprise.
So requiring TPM for Windows installation isn’t too surprising. Bitlocker uses TPM. And TPM modules are relatively cheap for consumer grade motherboards if not built into the cpu.
The problem isn’t that they’re requiring TPM. The problem is they’re dictating which generation of processor with TPM they’ll support. So while Customer A may have a cpu with TPM that’s three years old they can’t use it. But Customer B and their brand new cpu with TPM can.
They honestly should be showing some consistency across the board when it comes to TPM. Right now what it looks like is they’re simply helping Intel and AMD make money with new CPU sales.
I look at it like this. I build a computer every 5 years. My new computer obviously has TPM and my 5 year old computer has TPM. Not everyone keeps current like me, so lets say people upgrade every 10 years…
If your computer is 10 years old right now you’re probably running an i5 2500 with 1033 DDR3 and a Geforce 560M that you desperately need to upgrade. If that’s the case you have much bigger issues than upgrading to windows 11. You need to upgrade it’s just the nature of the platform.
Same. One of my rigs I have barely kept up-to-date with anything on it and it still compatible.
I enabled secure Boot in both bios and was set to go on both my rigs even the one I barely updated anything on
People just complain when something is new in general. It’s a psychological fact that people don’t like change. What I find funny is how much of a high horse they are on to where they just assume just because they hate it and dislike it everybody does too.
No one ever says I hate this product or I think this product sucks they say this product sucks like it’s a fact just because they feel it does
From Windows Central
Here are two ways to enable the TPM chip on your PC
My MSI 570 MPG Gaming MB was not up to snuff. Then I read these instructions and did the process. I am now good to go.
Yeah I was surprised when I found out the Z170 mobo in my living room rig supports TPM 2.0. That thing isn’t exactly new at this point. Windows 11 might not officially support the i7-6700k that’s plugged into it, but it’ll install anyway and I’ll bet that it will run just fine for at least the next 2-4 years which is good enough for me.
TPM chips were introduced like 10 years ago, and it was mandatory for enterprise scenarios, that’s why so many old boards have TPM built in.
As far as i know, some MS representative said that the CPU compatibility list was still to be determined and that the list that was initially posted was flat out wrong and the PC health app has been updated a few times already to rectify “things”
I’m just hoping that Win11 will not simply force people into buying new mobos and CPU’s with such short notice.
Except they did
If you have Skylake/Kabylake CPUs, such as i7 6700k or 7700k, you’re SIL as you can’t upgrade to coffee lake on a z270 board
AMD did everyone a favor by letting x370 boards be compatible with 3000 series Ryzen chips
So say if someone has a x370 and a 1600, he can’t upgrade to Windows 11 with his set-up, but luckily all he has to do is update his BIOS and pop in a 3700x for cheap, he’s good for windows 11
Yeah i was just reading the new info, basically anything below 8th gen intel is hosed.
I’m running a 3700x and I can tell you that I have no intention of going to windows 11 for at least a few years. I’ll hold out until either a new DX forces me or some groundbreaking features lures me in. I’ve learned that it’s never a joy to be an early windows adopter.
Windows 11 probably won’t be required for anything major until at least 2023. You have plenty of time to plan a much needed upgrade.