Windows 11? Good luck

True. It’s always a crapshow at the beginning and perhaps, Win10 will have support till 2025.

At least until 2025. They pushed back XP support a few times. I’d bet money on 2025 being a soft date depending on how many businesses are going to still be using it.

My PC was built by a company from loose parts, not like Dell. Build to order.

I have the key for Windows on it.

There is no bloatware.

I suspect that most people sitting right on top of major OS updates already rotate out PCs frequently enough that it won’t make a difference. Your average Joe just runs whatever came preloaded on the machine, and by extension whatever it auto-updates to.

Well that’s good, but it still doesn’t change much. Microsoft hands out copies of Windows freely, just write down your license key (there are command prompt commands that will show it for you), reinstall from your thumb drive created with Microsoft’s installer maker, and enter the key during installation. Only real gotcha is making sure to select the same edition of Windows during the install process.

You don’t even need a code anymore. As long as you have a disk windows 10 will install and run indefinitely without activating. You’ll have a watermark, but it’s pretty much free.

Not defending Microsoft decision because I don’t know why some will and some won’t support versions of TPM in Windows 11. But even my older motherboards have sockets for TPM chips. The chip cost like $15. Not that big a deal if push came to shove.

Anyway, Windows 10 will be around for four more years so the TPM issue can be put on the backburner for most people. Since consumers are beta testers for Windows, Microsoft should be able to get the kinks worked out before enterprise customers start upgrading to Windows 11 in a few years.

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I’d buy something like a Mac mini first to see if you’ll like it before going whole hog on an iMac. At worst you can use it for a toy to put in an extra room or give it to the kids.

Will also say, try to set aside the Windows-isms you know and love and try to see macOS for what it is. It’s not uncommon for people to get angry that macOS isn’t just like Windows and judge that it’s crap for that fact alone. That’s not to say that it’s perfect, far from it, but it’s also an entirely different OS with a deep history of its own tracing back to 1985, so of course it’s not going to be a Windows clone.

Same goes for Linux desktop setups too, actually.

You can game on a mac or a linux system. But it’s not a good idea.

It’s where multiple machines comes in handy. I’m pretty happy with a setup that has Macs taking care of work + day-to-day and a custom built box running Windows for games. It means whatever MS is doing with Windows is mostly moot because my Windows machine is basically a superpowered game console.

That said the gaming story on Linux is surprisingly good these days. A number of titles have native ports now (with some devs, like those of Valheim, even doing development primarily on Linux) and just about anything else without draconian anti-cheat runs fine under Proton.

You sound like you know what you’re doing with a PC. Most of the people who are going to have issues with the Win11 requirements aren’t capable of replacing a HDD with an SSD, let alone set up a multiboot box. Just from helping guildmates and people who come to the non-tech forums it’s shocking at how so many people know absolutely nothing about a PC’s inner workings.

If something is designed to run on Mac/Linux it’s going to be ok, provided the user can install and actually use the OS. There’s a reason those two systems account for <1% of all systems in the steam survey.

Oh yeah for sure, just look at how GD turned into an angry volcano at the possibility of Blizz including an SSD in the system requirements (which are really just suggestions, but whatever) for WoW. Lots of potatoes out there being used by people without the technical knowledge to make meaningful changes to them.

As I noted earlier in this thread though, I think those folks will just ride out Windows 10 until their box/laptop dies, at which point they’ll go buy a new Win11 machine, so they’re kinda moot.

Yea , I might just get a mini first. I’ve used a Mac before in the past but it’s been a good 20+ years . I believe the last time I used one when it was OS9, just before they released OS10.

Many many many games (WoW included) are written in *nix thanks to the plethora of free tools and then moved to consoles/Windows. Of all the platforms Windows needs the most love because of how bad the OS runs.

That said, the Windows 11 scheduler isn’t live yet. I’ll wait to see if the scheduler is really more modern or not.

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