Whoa there, admitting you may be wrong on the internet? That’s illegal!
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No problem, sadly I suspect @Teriantropia is correct and you’ll still see 5-10% hit due to Virtualization based security. But we’ll see.
Yea I am still not upgrading, I ran win11 for 1 month and it’s just the same as win10, same architect, besides the flashy new start menu and rounded corners? Naw not for me, I will wait till Win10 runs out.
Don’t be sorry - the released patch DOES NOT FIX the performance issues. CPU cache utilization is still fubar on AMD. Moving to Win11 right now is something unthinking people do because they think having the latest thing is also the best thing. The fact that Microsoft is releasing these AFTER the launch is an indication they have done next to zero QA on this thing.
You gain NOTHING by moving to Win11 right now and you lose a great deal.
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I agree, I didn’t upgrade to win10 for almost a year after it was out and win11 will be no different.
I don’t doubt Intel paid for this to slow AMD shares down. Why else are there no issues with Intel cpu’s only amd? There is video on you tube that explains this much deeper.
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Yea, he calls out it correctly. He’s wrong though about Win11 requiring TPM. I have several instances of this OS running in my lab on machines that don’t even have a TPM. It’s an unsupported configuration but it clearly shows TPM is a “soft” requirement enforced by Microsoft policy only - and far from being used strictly as a security device, it’s actually used to create a unique identifier to that hardware that MS uses for tracking purposes.
I don’t doubt this new win11 has more data collecting added in like win10 has, just harder to find and disable. I mean come on they are giving it away, MS is not know for that, same with win10, they make their money by collecting your data and selling it to 3rd parties. I will wait year or more till people figure them and release software to block or turn it off.
Nah that’s based on your network card, GPU etc. It’s used for windows hello actually. The idea being that they don’t store anything to do with password or login information on the hard drive where it can be recovered and more easily decrypted. It’s not a huge issue because MS can store some of it in the cloud so if the TPM gets wiped it just reauths with the cloud and fixes itself and recaches.
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Waiting on my new 2 TB SSD drive to arrive today then I’ll get Windows 11 added in…
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Hardware keying has always needed to be “fuzzy” in order to support folks upgrading without losing their activation status. The TPM is a strong data point for this kind of tracking because frankly, the number of people who are even aware a TPM can be rekeyed is so small it’s not worth worrying about for Microsoft.
Humans are gonna be human though I guess. The new shiny will always get attention, just ignore the man behind the curtain. But the sheer volume of data being sent back to MS servers from this OS has me convinced I’ll never use it.
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It is good now. I sent in recommendation for several problems. The last patch seem to smooth it out for me.
I really don’t care that they know I play subnautica for 10 hours straight.
They won’t get much useful info out of me, my pc used only for gaming.
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Except it’s not usable for that because the vast majority of desktops use fTPMs that get cleared on UEFI updates. Moreover that’s not really the intent, MS isn’t as concerned about piracy as people think. They can already track the install via hardware keying… they really don’t need to use the TPM for that.
As for the data that goes back to MS:
You can actually see everything that goes back. It’s not what you think… and quite a few linux distros do the exact same but don’t give you a viewer. Doesn’t make it any better, but it’s what they do.
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And that seems to be the divide these days. There is an entire generation of folks who have no problem with a stranger staring over their shoulder watching everything they do, who they talk to, profiling them, cataloging them, and then feeding back info that has the best chance of getting them to buy this or that thing, or get them to believe a specific narrative.
I come from a more rebellious generation that doesn’t like being packaged and manipulated.
Redhat, Ubuntu - basically the commercial distros of Linux do, but they also let you turn it ALL off. A distro like Debian however relies on an OPT IN mechanism - it only collects data if you give your permission. Microsoft gives you no such choice. Also, that viewer is for diagnostic data only. That’s a tiny portion of the telemetry that gets shipped to MS servers.
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It’s not about generations, I’m well into my 30s, it’s just that I don’t care.
I’ve been using an MS account on win 10 since forever.
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Actually they do…
I turn off the optional data. The rest is literally just diagnostics of weird usually driver things.
By LAW that cannot be the case, MS must give access to all data they are sending to their servers. GDPR gives them zero leeway on this. I’ve literally had to do more trainings than I can care to count on this exact issue. If you collect data you must make it available to users to see, period no exceptions. You must offer a way to turn it off except for things required for business and operation, and no selling data does not count as required. Furthermore if you can anonymize the data you must and MS does (even crash reports are anonymized and have been since… forever).
Don’t kid yourself the EU would love to pounce hard on MS for things like that and MS won’t give them a reason to.
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I don’t live in the EU, there are no such laws here. And the data I’m capturing from my test machines is non trivial even with everything that can be turned off being off. Perhaps the OS behaves differently when operated within the EU, I can’t speak to that.
This data is transmitted to Microsoft and stored with one or more unique identifiers that can help us recognize an individual user on an individual device and understand the device’s service issues and use patterns.
They do not hide the fact that they uniquely identify you and link that to your apps, your usage, and any other nebulous criteria they decide is required to “keep your device reliable, secure, and operating normally”. This all resides in their “Required Data” category - ie: it cannot be turned off.
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That would be extremely risky, GDPR applies to EU citizens even in the US. So if an EU citizen bought a laptop in the US then flew home they could still file a GDPR complaint even against the collection that happened while in the US. So no the OS almost certainly behaves the exact same.
Again, based on the training I have received that bar has to be extremely high to justify a collection. You can’t just say “I need _____” and expect it to be OK. You need something that a lawyer won’t squirm about and will feel comfortable with. The EU generally enforces the spirit of the law not the letter of the law which means that they will be much more rigorous in enforcement than say… the FTC.
source: https://privacy.microsoft.com/en-US/privacystatement#maindiagnosticsmodule
Basically all of that is so they can better test and debug things based on anecdotal reports. If everybody has Adobe Photoshop® on their device… well then they probably want that to work well. Or if every machine with it installed starts crashing… they are going to want to have a very serious conversation with Adobe (this actually happened with Sony in the past, with the rootkit scandal).
Note: they MUST include the part about IP address and IMEI, because they can’t not collect it based on the way webservers work and legal requirements from law enforcement.
An ssd/m2 is not required for windows 11; I have windows 11 pro running on a generic machine with sata hard drives only, and its fine. I’d recommend an ssd for warcraft or other very large games though, it makes a sizeable difference.
One of the greatest upgrades you can give yourself on an older machine that doesn’t recognize an nvme is a combo ssd / nvme pcie card. The card itself is maybe $15 and the ssd and nvme sticks might run you another $100 depending on how much storage you want. You load your OS onto the ssd stick and then put everything else onto the nvme once you’re booted. The performance differential between a sata spinner and nvme storage is mind boggling.
Mechanical drives are mostly useful as backup storage these days. Once you go solid state you never look back 