they don’t look at the negatives anymore before they implement something.
Neither do a lot of the playerbase.
How it goes usually is this.
-Make suggestion
-People point out the negatives of suggestion
-They say you dont know what you are talking about
-Suggestion gets implements
-People that made the suggestion complaints about the negatives that were pointed out by others.
They killed Wrath the moment they decided to “change” stuff.
Every change makes it just a Frankenstein version of the original game.
It’s not classic Wrath anymore. The magic just isn’t there.
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No, it’s not.
If you didn’t do the retail content, your opinion on it means nothing. The raid has been widely enjoyed… speak on what you know and it’s not retail.
My opinion must have meant something to you, im sorry.
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If that helps you sleep tonight, cool.
Doom and gloom news with no factual basis, servers are popping and my server, the wonderful Old Blanchy, has been growing in players week by week. That being said, ToC will see a small drop and ICC will see a boost until it’s over. This is how all Wrath servers work.
Guilds are always recruiting for new people because that’s how guilds function. People quit playing or hop guilds, new talent is brought in, the cycle continues. If you had one billion players on a wow server, there would still be recruitment spam.
Also the guy whining about RDF in this thread omg. The game is better without RDF, and Cata with no RDF or LFR sounds pretty epic tbh. Face it dude, outside of the vocal minority that comes to the forums to whine about RDF, people do not want that crap.
Oh I’m sure you held guild wide meetings there and brought every voice to the table and didn’t just whisper one random dude in each guild and ask them how they do dungeons.
News flash, pugging sucks, we don’t want to carry alts in greens through H+; people have always preferred to do guild runs when they’re in a good guild. RDF does not change that. Geared players will not magically want to carry your alts because there is a queue system in place.
In fact, if we had RDF, I would run less pug dungeons, since I know in RDF people love to roll need on everything because the guys are from different servers and you’ll never see them again. If I can’t at least get some loot to disenchant for cash because the warrior from some other server says he needs every item including leather caster gear, and I as a clothie aren’t even allowed to click the need button, then why even bother.
The game is running on version 3.4.1.48120 of patch 3.3.5. Why lie? We all know the game is running on 3.3.5. We all know classes aren’t performing at their original wrath levels.
Everyone knows it doesn’t make sense, because you aren’t going to have the same experience you did back in original Wrath. The integrity of the game being even close to a similar experience from when it was originally released is so messed up it is like playing a whole different game. The only thing RDF would do at this point is allow people who wouldn’t interact with others in the first place a chance to experience this hodge podge half baked heroic + idea they had or allow them to level alts. I don’t care about RDF they could release it tomorrow. I don’t pug people as I have a stable guild and I probably won’t level another alt as I have six level 80’s split between two accounts. I usually don’t even see guildies do pugs as we have like 200 people. So I can understand why some people may have a hard time finding groups as my singular guild takes around 200 people out of the pug pool. It makes you wonder how many other people operate this way as pugging is just kind of setting yourself up for potential failure.
Anyway the game’s integrity is botched and it isn’t even close to being an authentic experience. Let the new people or introverts have their RDF as it will literally have no effect on.
I won’t be checking for a response to this, as " your one guy who’s opinion ultimately means nothing," and I frankly do not care whether you agree with my opinion or not, nor would you ever be able to convince me that your opinion is correct anyway.
You are just wrong and that’s ok. Well unless you’re just a troll and aren’t being genuine. If that’s the case no one wants you around. Probably not even the people in your real life.
Cheers! =)
Played retail. It’s just Shadowlands lite with the same time gates, because they want to artificially slow people down from blowing through the content in order to have time to polish the next patch and so on and so forth.
People are just so upset about shadowlands that any small improvements or new content in general goes along way with the community. It’s a grass is greener situation and the grass in Dragonflight is dead just like shadowlands they just painted it green to fool people like you.
As for the raids Raszageth is probably going to be the least killed boss of all time and this is due to the gear dropping is not worth the effort. Many guilds will kill it like 2-3 times and then just not going back to it. The same problem happened with G’huun
from Uldir. If they don’t buff the gear from Raszageth or nerf the fight it’s going to be viewed as a failure of a raid once Dragonflight is over and people look back at the raid in hindsight.
Also don’t bother responding unless you play 80 hours of WoW (both classic and retail) per week as your response would be literally be a waste of my time and energy to even think about reading let alone actually responding to.
Cheers!
I had a bunch of responses and seen this, then deleted because you are showing you aren’t worth respecting… but it seems like, you don’t play retail. I stand by that completely, you’re clearly a classic andy who just seems to dislike/hate retail.
The raid and bosses have been widely liked, you say the opposite.
Retail is doing very well and will continue to do well as long as blizzard doesn’t drop the ball on the updates and adjustments.
I said what I needed to say, there is no reason for to continue speaking, you aren’t going to make a point. So have a day.
I don’t know about that, maybe for hard modes. Having cleared it on normal, it’s not too difficult if everyone knows what they’re doing. Some bosses do feel like bullet sponges and they tuned up Razorscale to an annoying level which they shouldn’t have. Otherwise though it seems fine.
This part is annoying for sure.
That catch up gear is abysmal. Basically pre-raid BIS for a ridiculous amount of tokens. You can do the Heroic dungeon 10 times for the cost of one piece. I guess it’s good in an age where running Heroic Dungeons is rare for noobies, but I really pity someone in that situation. I wonder if getting heirloom gear would be better.
The catch-up gear should at least be between Pre-Raid BiS and phase 1, or even phase 1 item level.
RDF RDF RDF, someone always posts about it once in a thread. I think it’s some sort of “Wrath Baby” (no offense intended, that’s the term) nostalgia from when a bunch of people entered WOTLK back in Phase 3 or 4. I don’t think its inclusion will “fix” WOTLKC. I don’t think it will “hurt” it either. It’s just a suggestion people have latched on to with the hopes it will be some sort of cure all and they get mad when people don’t agree.
WOTLK either sucks because the players suck, or because it was never that good in the first place. Sure, new people would have a chance to run low level dungeons more often, but once you get into the actual Wrath content, RDF wouldn’t matter and the same problems of raid logging, or people min-maxing the fun out of the game would persist. In fact, there are so many alts in my guild that people don’t do stuff on their main enough.
RDF won’t save all the problems in Wrath and people need to let go.
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im laughing at you, literally, you retail refugees shilling your RDF is hilarious, its phase 2, its been MONTHS, the games fine, you were wrong, stop coping and seething and do your H+ if you need the badges this is just pure cringe. Touch grass, let it gooooo…
In regards to OPs accusations, the wrath team is a bit of a mess for sure, as always, everyone fails to remember that wow classic has been underfunded by the idiots running the team funding since day 1 phase 1. Wow classic and all its iterations has always needed more money and it’s cost them in real human sub numbers every time, but until the clowns they hire in the analyst dept figure this out we’ll just have to carry on.
The game will be fine until after ICC, then it will die, because Cata classic is pointless, just go play retail, there’s no functional difference. I’ll be long gone as i would only stay for a genuine Wrath+ or Classic+ with LOADS of changes, and heaps of additional content to fix the many flaws.
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I don’t think it will fix the expansion either. I wouldn’t use it if it was available as I do everything with my guild. I see no negatives for allowing the “Wrath Babies” to have this feature as the integrity of the game is so botched it feels nothing like it used to anyway. If you also believe it won’t hurt anything I don’t see the issue.
Honestly at this point they probably don’t even have a working version of the system to use and instead of releasing the feature they are hiding behind the guise of “community” in order to buy time or just never release it at all, because they don’t feel like spending the resources.
Either way if it’s added I don’t care and if it is not I do not care. However I only see it benefiting some people and really not doing anything to harm the “community”.
I just get annoyed when its brought up in unrelated threads. “Here’s a problem or something to think about regarding WOTLK” and then you get “What we should all really think about is RDF!” and then I scroll down and it’s two or more people arguing over RDF
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I can see where the relation of giving a feature that would benefit some people may help keep those people playing. This would mean that those people wouldn’t leave and therefore connects directly to this threads title about survival and dwindling population.
Feel free to be annoyed it only really hurts you, however I would say you probably shouldn’t tie too many feelings into a forum for an old video game that you enjoy. Sounds unhealthy and could possibly affect you physically given enough time. I don’t mean this to be an insult, but I don’t believe my relevant post to another user with a relevant post is anything to be annoyed by. Just keep scrolling or read another thread. Though I do understand many people get frustrated or annoyed by things that don’t matter that much in the first place. Though I do think if they didn’t they would probably be happier or at the very least not annoyed, which is a net positive.
Again I have no animosity towards you nor am I judging you in any way. Merely a conversation based on your post I just observed.
Now you’re just being impolite and projecting emotions on to me that aren’t there.
You know in law you’re supposed to hold things to a standard of what a reasonable person would do in a circumstance. The person doesn’t actually exist, they’re hypothetical, but they represent the average person and their morality when they’re acting under normal conditions with sound mind.
The people not playing WOTLK because of no RDF either don’t exist or may as well not exist when discussing the survival of the game. They may seem to yourself to be a worthy hypothetical individual to make an argument off of but no such person exists nor does anyone come close to this hypothetical person.
I don’t know how you could post what you just did in a serious manner. The only possible way that you could so confidently do so is if you had data that a normal person wouldn’t have access to, as in, Blizzard’s data which is not very public. You could be a Blizzard employee who has access to this data, but I wouldn’t know that nor would you expect me to know that. I also don’t think the average person plays World of Warcraft as even if we take all the accounts created since 2004 to now it would be in the ballpark of 100 million accounts, while keeping in mind online players peaked at 12 million in 2010, if we compare that to the 7.8 billion people that do exist it it’s like what .013 of the population. 1.3% I wouldn’t say that is average and is miniscule.
Earlier you had stated that you see RDF RDF RDF mentioned quite a lot on the forms, correct? It is reasonable to conclude there are at least a handful of people that would benefit from the feature as if there wasn’t you probably wouldn’t see it mentioned as often let alone people arguing for it’s inclusion.
Also you are moving the goal posts here. We aren’t talking about the people who are not currently playing, although, if there were people that aren’t playing WOTLK currently because there is no RDF would the inclusion bring those people back if they do in fact exist? I would say so. However we were actually talking about the people who are currently playing and may leave due to not having RDF. These two hypothetical groups of people are distinctively different. So, are you just assuming that there is not one single person currently playing that may quit playing in the future due to not having RDF. I think with all the threads about RDF and the examples of people arguing about RDF in threads that aren’t even related to the thread they are in that we have enough reasonable observational data to say there is at least one person that currently playing that fits this hypothetical person being presented, if not more. I think it would be disingenuous to think otherwise and more than likely are leaning on experience bias. Which again is fine, but from how you carry yourself in your writing I am just at a loss of words really.
You literally typed out that it annoyed you. This isn’t projection you typed these words. I’m not putting words in your mouth, but simply taking what you told me, thinking about what you told me, and then presenting my thoughts to you. I apologize if you find it impolite (Especially when I went out of my way to specifically state I have no animosity towards you nor that I am judging you, because I truly am not doing that. You do you as they say), more simply I am just stating I find that you are annoyed over something I would consider and others would also consider mundane and insignificant. If the WoW forums are that important to you that you manifest feelings of being annoyed due to people arguing about RDF that’s fine. I just don’t agree with that kind of response and what I said is true it does sound unhealthy and it could possibly affect you physically.
Again I have no animosity towards you, nor am I judging you in any way. I am also perfectly happy to agree to disagree, because honestly it’s not that deep. Wrath will be over in a year or so and I will have had my fun which is the only thing that actually matters to me. Really don’t care about other people’s fun hypothetical or not, but I guess I found my self here thinking about how other people might be having a bad experience in WOTLK classic, eh?
No offense. If you do respond I will have to reply at a later time as it is 4 am and I could use a nap. It was genuinely nice chatting with you except that part where you found me impolite using words you chose to use to extrapolate and present my view of this behavior you have as it genuinely wasn’t meant to offend.
Cheers!
What? You completely missed my comparison to talk about how many people play WOW.
No, it’s closer to collective hysteria. People don’t usually cite a reason for why RDF would be better, it just somehow “is” and that it would save WOTLK.
They statistically don’t though and I’d probably wager literally don’t as well. So to entertain this idea that RDF benefits some unsung person enough for it to be a staple of this forum is too ridiculous.
Another group of people who statistically do not exist.
It is my argument yes.
No, because most of the people who want RDF aren’t seriously threatening to leave the game over it, and the people that make the claim that they’re leaving WOW, regardless of their stated reason, never cite examples related to the RDF argument. It’s never “I am leaving WOW because I’m a level 40 Mage on Old Blanchey and can’t run Scarlet Monestary”.
It’s logical for me to be skeptical about any position regardless of how many people believe it if it doesn’t have sound reasoning. RDF won’t make the game a thousand times better. It’s just an LFG system with cross realm dungeon crawling.
I have not read any RDF advocate present any experience of their own that supports their argument. Just that RDF is a magical cure-all for WOTLK’s problems.
Being annoyed by something doesn’t mean angry and hurting one’s health. Most people express that with something like a sigh and trying to avoid said thing that annoys them. You seem to have mixed up annoyed and angry in your mind.
That’s fine, I’m just killing time anyway, have a good sleep
you have a right to your opinion but actually, yes, i spoke with multiple members from each of the 5 guilds, i didnt just randomly whisper one person. im a bit more thorough than that, and i DO like to help other folks and rdf helped me do that. i met ALOT of great people pugging through rdf. our habit in my guild was to run the guild stuff on the weekends but during the week we would break up into groups of 3 or 4 and pug, it was great for me as a tank with my healer and 1 dps to que up run through 3 or 4 dungeons a night and help people gear up. you see, me and mine arent selfish toxic players that get some sort of validation about spending 18 hours a day on the game to be server first or bis in 2 weeks after a drop. we do more than raid log. we help guildies, with rdf we helped pugs. we hold meetings, we are real people who make real connections with our guildies, we dont hang out in thousand member guilds where no one knows anyone. we play to enjoy the game, we dont have the rush rush rush go go go raid log attitude or the toxic pvper attitude that seems to pervade these forums.
now onto the…
im sorry it gave you such a outrageous horrible experience but that in no way resembled my experiences with rdf. and your experience helped you form your opinion but do NOT claim it as fact or claim to know the motivation as to why someone did what they did when you dont know them. some people are just plain toxic.
as far as rdf, theres nothing stopping you from forming up your group THEN queing in rdf and using it as a tool of convenience, therefore avoiding your stumbling into that bad experience again. or theres the out of the box thinking, just dont use it which would avoid that problem again.
it doesnt ahve to, and you dont have too. having rdf in game to give other folks options on what style of play to use in no way would stop you from continuing your current choice in play. its obviously not going to remove people from the current player pool as very few have been in evidence using the lfg tool anyway. more folks on maladath (pre death of server) and more on westfall (where me and mine currently reside) are just camped out in cities spamming trade chat looking for groups than using the current tool.
and i am in no way asking anyone to carry me, im not lazy, im not looking for carrys, im not looking for everyones loot to be mine, and im not a toxic troll that wants to ruin anyones day. what i do want is to have fun in my game, not take it too seriously, and to be able to have the tools available that helped make the game fun.
im sure you probably wont read this as you already from sentence one in your response showed your attitude and distrust, but hey, i had to try and treat you with respect in hopes you would understand that people are different. they have different experiences, they have different opinions, and not everyone is shaded by the experiences you have had and you should NOT try and base your position in a debate on such a wide paint brush. have a great day.