WOTLK may not survive Ulduar.
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declining after ulduar? it started declining during naxx. i know most people don’t want to swallow that pill.
this is the part where you are wrong. and wrath will die out. you unfortunately are unable to see it as a possibility because you likely are on a mega server. but there has been quite the number of people who have abandoned the server. and given the option of restarting or having end of era servers i’d rather just not. its clear blizzard has zero intentions of giving us a true wrath experience. i don’t want a wrath with large chunks of retail dropped on to it. its like taking a big crap on a gorgeous and perfectly cooked 18 oz Ribeye steak (perfectly cooked is only one option medium rare). you just killed the steak.
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private servers have been running for years same expansion. some did not have RDF cross realm pvp or even half working raids still survived majority only closed due to lawsuits or cease and desist orders from blizzard. i can guarantee if blizzard did not do this these server would still be here today.
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the game is 15+ years old already and people come back to play so in another 2 years just like the classic era now they will come back to play again and again. as the saying going history has a habit of repeating itself. people like routine and are creatures of habit.
will the game have low and high points? of course it will all games do will it be the end of the game? god no see points 1 and 2.
but seriously though put the https://www.wowhead.com/wotlk/item=53048/doomsday-message on suit you perfectly mister doom and gloomer. just because you do not like the path blizzard has taken does not mean everyone does not like it.
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you are totally naïve. you literally can’t see the writing on the walls. yes private servers have been alive and kicking for ages now. there is a difference though. wrath classic doesn’t match up to some of the current private servers out there right now. and here is why. all the retailification that has taken place in wrath has marred the experience. being unable to give as close to a 1:1 experience that they had back in wrath. there are some positive things they have done like keeping the black and plague protos this time around them removing that was dumb back in original wrath. but the fact is right now they have made this iteration of wow so alt unfriendly its mind boggling how bad it is. between still base level experience requirements from the very first day of wrath to lack of RDF. yes RDF is something a lot of players wanted. heroic + has been incredibly divisive as is. it has completely killed the heroic dungeons all together. this trend will continue further into wrath classic. not to mention the substantial amount of people just disappearing from the game because they are incredibly unhappy with what has taken place here. bugs impacting pet classes taking 6+ months to fix. that should have been fixed as soon as they knew about it. there are a laundry list of issues with the game. there glitchy quests that just don’t work. making it so that another server like faerlina can dictate the fact horde now controls my home server’s wintergrasp? how is this not a problem. i even agree with the people complaining about the bots. nothing is being done really about the bots. its become more visible because of the fact people are leaving. but you seem to think its gonna go strong with blizzard at the helm? puhlease. if you said this back in 2010 and they had to extend wrath another 6-12 months before they could release cata? i’d believe you then. but not now. they have shown they are filled with a bunch inept thumb suckers running the game. if you believe they can turn it around. good on you. i don’t see it. and for everything i have stated you are wrong. the players do not want this 2023 version of wrath they want the 2008-2010 wrath.
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again just because you do not like something does not mean everyone does not like something also does not mean everyone won’t play the game again and again like they have been.
as previously stated games have ups and downs in the playerbase no shocker here but this also proves the fact people left 10 years ago and they have come back. they will come back again when they hear something they like it’s how the populus on all mmos work always has been. it also a question of did they leave or did they just leave your server ? with all realms unlocked now and server transfer activated who really knows.
RDF come in the end of the expansion not the begining to add it first would be as you put it not what the players want. if they said they was not adding it for another 6 months a lot of the player base would just not play for 6 months. doing it this way means the players that might have stopped for 6 month will go hell its not coming anyways might as well just level now. the ones that do quit because of it will come back when its added with their heads held high like they won some sort of victory over blizzard keeping the players that want a wrath og experience happy because thats how its meant to be rolled out. but also anyone who used to play back in og knows everything you earn now can be replaced with icc 5 man gear then you can jump straight into icc and do all previous expansions raids without being gatekept by the 4.8k gs must have all achievements to do flame lath ulduar crowd come back then get to experience all the content at once. not everyone likes progression.
as for the bugs and bots that has been a thing since 2009 not new at all i remember good old honorbuddy mixed with keyclone back in the day when it was not a bannable offence did not kill the game then will not kill it now.
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you are completely blind to what is happening in on this game. servers are unlocked yes. but those servers are still locked to transfers. you do not understand that people came back and follow me here because ya haven’t for awhile now. they are LEAVING. they are unhappy with this game. this isn’t me saying i’m unhappy. IM STATING PEOPLE ARE QUITTING AND DISAPPEARING. you are saying this is a me thing. this is a player thing you are not comprehending what i am saying.
You are wrong. anyone that states this acts like RDF was only there for 3-4 months. it was there since december 8th 2009. thats 364 days of being in the expansion. so don’t give me this its there only for the last trail of the game hot garbage. its fully been debunked and its a garbage talking point at this point. further more we are in patch 3.3.5. hello we were supposed to get everything by now we are missing features that launched with the game. we are missing our epic gems. I am using RDF as something people wanted. they gave this experience with a try. they swiftly realized they had nothing much to do. and bailed on the game. again they never indicated they were going to add it in 6 months. you are now twisting what i am saying i’m saying its a collective of everything they have done and did not do. leveling is horrible right now. it is painful and too long to do. why would you put yourself through that hot garbage. the only time to level is during Joyous journeys. that is the only time worth leveling. bruh, people are fed up. they ain’t returning. they gave blizzard another shot. they ain’t returning because RDF has been implemented. they have completely checked out of the game. they are DONE. they have washed their hands clean of the game. you are living in a world of delusion where this is like every patch from back when wrath was at its peak or going through an xpac. this isn’t the case my guy. people are TIRED AND DONE with blizzard’s treatment of the game. icc 5 mans can replace 232 gear? i mean the 5 man gear is 232 gear but you so sure on that? if i’m base ilvl 232 i’m not replacing anything. not even the weapons. because the weapons out of ulduar right now are better than the icc 5 mans. so PUHLEASE. just stop. people are talking with their money and they’re walking away you are fooling yourself.
bruh. yes bugs have been a thing for ever but then ones that negatively impacted gameplay never took 6+ months to be addressed. where as something that is game play breaking like where you can get 2 different ranks of volley out during trash pulls or talent into spells to get them to stack like desolation and icy talons. those get patched up and fixed up immediately as they should but there is no reason pet classes should suffer for 6 months especially a class with a 10 minute CD where the CD was contingent on getting hit to activate the broken CD’s friendlies to help. the fact you see this as a non issue shows far out of depth you are. like you’re so far into deep water you can’t seen any islands around you to swim to. seriously how clueless do you have to be that you think oh well 6+ months to fix known bugs is a reasonable time. there have been posts screeching at these blue posts to fix these problems they go unanswered for months. oh well bugs have been a thing for ever!!! nothing new here. everything is fine. shows you how out of touch and the fact you can’t even keep up in the convo. this is a reason people are walking away.
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1 post OP talking about the game dying. Zzzz, next.
Also, poster above me, have you ever heard of paragraph breaks? Nobody wants to read those walls of text.
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doom and gloom no changing your mindset everything gonna end we are all doomed blah blah. only person who is tired and done is you. your one guy who’s opinion ultimately means nothing.
we are not patch 3.3.5 had icc and ruby of sanctum we are currently patch 3.1.0 i know numbers in game says different and that is hard concept to wrap your doomer head around but we are. as for leveling i rather enjoy the leveling experience at its current pace on my 6th toon now. again just because your done with the game does not mean everyone else is. i know hard concept to think that not everyone shares this doomer attitude you have but it’s just not how all players think.
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Yea sure it’s down from its peak 3 months ago but you realise there was only 1 week in the previous 2 expansions that had more people raiding than this last one. numbers will likely trend down as they always do but where is all this doom posting coming from?
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Wrath will be lucky to survive to TOC at this rate. The only thing that couldve kept it alive was the RDF tool. Instead they made the terrible decision to cut off the playerbase from themselves and trap us on these servers relying entirely on our own servers playerbase to play the game. Nobody wants to log in and wait hours for a dungeon. Plain and simple. The entire game is revolved around community and there is none. When most of the community is just raid logging and the content is not actively being run, the game is dead. Thats where were at now. People are even daily logging heroics now. Retail is a far superior product, and that is why people are going there. Its undeniable. You can log into retail and do something at any point. Imagine being a new player trying to play wrath. You literally cant. You will spend up to a MONTH+ questing through the worst questing system imaginable just to see relevant content, thats completely unoptimized and giving garbage xp rates. Youre 2 expansions away from even seeing other players. Why stick around when theres another version of the game that will welcome you with a much better experience
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laughed so hard at this one line.
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In Bene , strong guild , dwindled to half, and that half are playing retail
I have max cap friends list and it’s 70% back to retail. also if you try to level an alt, you hardly see real players only bots when you do battlegrounds and I am not using hyperbole more than half are DK bots 65% of the games
You do arena and 3’s is kinda dead not like before, 2’s is pretty active at a lower rating but at higher it is slower much slower
Ulduar is a super fun raid too , so I am kinda surprised it didn’t get more people back
Honestly what has and is killing Ulduar for me is the changes.
Shouldn’t have changed to ilvl rewards.
Shouldn’t have changed the boss tuning(should have used the final tuning, it was done for a reason)
Shouldn’t have made heroic+
Now 50-75% of my BIS is locked behind ulduar 10M HMs.
I don’t want to raid both 10M and 25M. The best gear should be in the biggest, newest, most difficult raid.
I have guildies spending 4 days a week raiding instead of what should be 1-2 nights a week. Forget that. Honestly makes me not want to play at all.
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I think that the ICC population will be fine. It’s a good raid and there are those dungeons released too. ToC may lose some people but I really do think there will be people even who drop there who want to do ICC.
The population a few months after iCC is cleared is the question. Every time at the end of an expansion people get bored and quit. How many will come back for Cata Classic? We don’t really know.
This is in response to the OP, I read the other replies but my opinion overall is still this.
I highly doubt those stats are real… my guild killed Lich King 25 hard mode back then and we were barely in the top 1000
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People clearly overestimate the amount of people running dungeons in classic…
i talked to 5 different guilds on westfall, all of them have stopped using LFG tool because, and i quote “it sucks, its cumbersome, its horribly inefficient.” so theyve all stuck to just running guild only runs. i think theres alot more running dungeons than we know but very few want to deal with finding pugs and would rather just not run than have to spam to find a pug.
im surprised you havent been jumped by the anti rdf’ers for saying raiding 4 nights instead of 2 is too inconvenient. they LOVE making things as difficult as possible for players.
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Retail is losing its luster at equal rate, soloshuffles are a scam, boosters run rampant, bots galore.
Atleast WOTLK has fun raid content, only issue is that once your raid is done there is nothing left to do but log till the following week, or sit in SW and consider why there arent ‘better’ games around.
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The community itself isn’t helping the situation either when people who try to return get declined for previous tiers content due to asinine gear requirements.
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you are right people are over estimating how many people are running dungeons. but i think that is going to flatline here very soon because the need for that gear is about to dry up. and there are bunch of people who don’t give a whole hell of a crap about the gear from the badge vendor and getting as soon as possible with getting 35 badges per week.
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