why do you need to get all toxic like that over someone’s opinion of the game?
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TBC already had SoM design. They shortened it massively.
No, I’m not at all salty that Mainhand Warglaive never dropped.
Observers are encouraged to note the complete lack of any attempt at making a counter argument. Because there is none. Because the original statement was supremely stupid and there is no way to defend that kind of stupidity.
Level locking yourself at 70 isn’t anything like playing TBC. Prepatch is a radically different game.
I mean, they insulted me first, and have you seen the kind of nonsense they post around here? Hell, just look at their above comment
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You insulted the intelligence of everyone in the thread when you posted this:
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Smart move is WOTLK Era and move on to Cata and MoP
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Cata is better than MoP
MoP was the end of WoW as we know it. Terrible theme, class design, pandas, monks, no talent trees. It was the end and first time I didn’t buy an expansion at launch and cancelled my sub.
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MoP is arguably the best class design theyve had. Only 14 year olds cared whether the game had Pandas or not lmao
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The dream would be that they use the time travel shenanigans in the terribly written story to continue it as a separate timeline. Basically a reboot post wotlk.
But what will probably happen is they’ll gaslight themselves into thinking that maybe the next few will be ok too and then they will get a hard reminder of why everyone started quitting post wotlk.
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Think most of us would play WotLK forever. That is why private servers are so successful.
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Completely wrong. Almost every class had to much and was the real start of homogenization of classes. Which is the terrible design we have today in Retail. MoP was the true end of WoW and transition to today’s failed game design philosophies.
MoP class design was atrocious especially when compared to WotLK. You aren’t going to find a lot of people that want to relive the horror that is MoP and a massive black mark on this game.
Also not true a large part of the WoW community cringed during the MoP trailer. No one wanted Pandas or Monks. Then the addition of Monks helped break class design where too much mobility became a thing and too much healing for non healers.
MoP is one of my most hated expansions because of what it did to this great game. Cata obviously was a decline but it was still WoW. World of Warcraft ended when Cata did.
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They absolutely need to have WotLK Era. They simply cannot push players onto Cata without having an option to keep them in WotLK.
I do expect them to offer Cata Classic eventually. When they do offer it, I hope they don’t create an artificial barrier like a cloning fee. If they do, it’s kinda DoA.
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There was never a time where classes were more fun to play than in MoP. It was the only expansion where both PvE and PvP players were satisfied with the class design. Its a niche of people who care about homogenization omg every class has an interrupt that thinks it was bad class design but ultimately it was the greatest time for classes this game has seen.
Yes a large group of prepubescent 14 year olds.
Outside of dailies MoP had some of the greatest content. You have every right to your opinion though
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Yea there is it’s called WotLK 
Not to mention several other expansions.
Oh yea I remember symbiosis one of the most disgusting things ever added to the game. It made people want to uninstall. Sorry but good Class design means specs have roles. Not everyone has too much ruining game play.
Classes had too much healing, defensives and dps in MoP. It was a dumpsterfire of design. Especially compared to WotLK where we still had great Class design intact.
You are massively wrong. It destroys gameplay. No one wants everyone to have everything that is the definition of bad design.
Millions of players, it was a bad expansion on many metrics and the end of WoW. Cata was the last real World of Warcraft expansion.
Class and game design isn’t an opinion. There are correct and incorrect ways to do it. MoP was wrong in many gaming philosophies. That is a fact.
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Symbiosis was one of the best ideas of an ability they came up with. Sadly they couldnt figure out how to balance around it but it was a great idea for an ability. I was there at the time too and on the forums just as much as I am today, it did not make people want to uninstall and if it did its because those players are too lazy to figure out who best to symbiosis for optimization. Thats a pebkac issue.
Added toolkits are not a dumpsterfire of design. Vanilla class design was a dumpster fire.
I am massively correct in that its a niche of the playerbase that cares about the homogenization of classes. Without homogenization you get the arena teams that look much like classic does today. SMP, rogue druid, etc. Complexity makes for better gameplay, something classic vanilla and classic tbc could definitely have benefitted from.
It was not millions of players that cared about MoP having Pandas or not. Is this one of those “Oh millions quit Pandaria because they had the same view on it that I did” type of thing?
That is not a fact. You can go back to the wayback and see that ultimately more people enjoyed the class design than there was that didnt.
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Class design in MOP is widely regarded as the best it’s ever been I don’t know where you get the idea that Wrath was better.
MOP has some of the best leveling zones that Wow has ever had (second to WoD imho) most PvPers I’ve spoken with will say that MoP was also the peak of PvP gameplay.
You’re in the minority
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Cata is the best expansion for PvP so i sure hope so.
Cata gets a lot of hate for no real reason. I guess people didn’t like the old world getting destroyed but you can solve that with Chromie Time. Cata has great PvP game play. Very solid class design, great raids, and quite a lot of out of raid content. I feel like people hate Cata cause they were attached to the WC3 Story and Wrath ended it
It is a fact. Just like whether a book is a well written book or not. Class and game design has right and wrong ways to do it. MoP was the wrong way and end of WoW as we know it. If you like bad incorrect game philosophies that is fine. Just realize they are bad, like enjoying a B rated movie.
The majority of players though want great game design and the correct way to do it was in expansions like WotLK which had near perfect Class design, content and overall game design. Which is why it’s the pinnacle of WoW.
Again if your guilty pleasure is a bad expansion like MoP then fine. However don’t say it had great design, ideas and theme. That is wrong. It is factually not true. MoP is the B rated movie that draws a niche crowd.
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I think a lot of people get cata and wotlk mixed in their minds, especially PvP fans. I think a lot of people are going to be surprised when they hit 80 and realize the pvp experience they love and remember was actually from Cata.
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I mean so long as you’re ok with being in delusion then you can do so. You’re wrong though.
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