Will we ever get a dev reason for the change of heart on RDF?

[Ezzary-benediction]

Mate we get it you are upset chill

[Argorwal-ysera (Argorwal)]

@Abombshield-grobbulus

@Alexstorming-stormrage

Will there ever be a dev reason given?

If they want people to who enjoy WotLK to play it… they better add RDF. Not having RDF drove so many players away for most of this expansion including myself. It’s not WotLK without the Classic feature that is RDF.

There is a reason why subs peaked in original WotLK to the highest levels when RDF was introduced. It’s the single best feature ever added to an MMO or WoW in history. Finally giving us RDF is like finally giving us WotLK.

You mean it plateaued and started to later decline?

Not that I think RFD had any real effect on sub count either way, but trying to pin WoW’s success on it when it then plateaued and later decreased is a weird take.

[Argorwal-ysera (Argorwal)]

@Baalzebarbie-azuresong

@Stonedoctor-proudmoore

I mean technically didnt RDF come out at the end of WotLK?

3.3.0…half way through. we are in 3.4.2 right now

It came out with ICC raid and the ICC 5 mans.

[Argorwal-ysera (Argorwal)]

@Zaalg-ashkandi

Read the Blue post ptr notes section about the new ICC dungeons. Particularly in the developers’ notes…

“…we felt it was as important to protect the original 2009 experience here.”

They shouldn’t say stuff like that then. They can’t have it both ways. Claiming they want to protect authenticity, and then completely toss authenticity to the curb in other areas. Make up their minds what this project is about.

All the stupid changes they made to Wrath were bad.

[Abombshield-grobbulus]

@Argorwal-ysera

Not that I think RFD had any real effect on sub count either way

RDF caused Subs to surge to their highest level in WotLK. It allowed people to finally play the game and get into content without barriers or toxicity/bias. So new players joined and players returned.

RDF is the best social feature added to an MMO in history.

[Auril-stormrage]

@Abombshield-grobbulus

RDF caused Subs to surge to their highest level in WotLK.

Had nothing to do with the Raid against
The Lich King.

Def not

I know all my friends who quit during ToC came back for ICC just to kill him. He is/was the end boss. The finale of the story of Warcraft 3

[Abombshield-grobbulus]

@Auril-stormrage

Had nothing to do with the Raid against
The Lich King.

That is a small part of it. Obviously good content helps. However you must understand WotLK is miserable without RDF and my friends and I have skipped most of it. I look forward to RDF and finally having the freedom to make Alts, attain gear and do content without massive barriers. We all do. We finally get to play the game.

The Lich King won’t make players return cause they still don’t want to make Alts, can’t get dungeons done or content/gear. RDF will do that. Which then increases participation in ICC.

I had unsubbed and they always ask why? I said when you give us RDF I’ll come back. It’s just not worth playing Wrath and having a grueling experience without RDF. Everything is just infinitely better with it.

The only problem is they added RDF too late, they lost too many players by not having it at launch hurting this game in immeasurable ways.

[Argorwal-ysera (Argorwal)]

@Abombshield-grobbulus

@Argorwal-ysera

Not that I think RFD had any real effect on sub count either way

RDF caused Subs to surge to their highest level in WotLK. It allowed people to finally play the game and get into content without barriers or toxicity/bias. So new players joined and players returned.

RDF is the best social feature added to an MMO in history.

By “surge” do you mean minorly increased based on its trajectory which quickly turned into a plateau?

Because that is what happened.

[Auril-stormrage]

@Abombshield-grobbulus

tLK is miserable without RDF and my friends and I have skipped most of it

Have you considered you’re part of a vocal minority?

[Blooddrunk-grobbulus]

45% of that 50% was content drought, 95% of the actual expansion progression did not have it.

@Zaalg-ashkandi

No they weren’t. I think I was the only person on the forums that didn’t want them

I witnessed tons of support for no cross realm bgs on the classic wow subreddit pre launch. I dont doubt some retail tourists told you it was a bad idea, but they were a vocal minority.

@Zaalg-ashkandi

RDF, on the other hand, was looked forward to and expected by many people.

99% of the classic community didn’t want it.

@Zaalg-ashkandi

50% of Wrath

95% of the actual expansion progression didn’t have it, that 50% your claiming is mostly content drought.

@Zaalg-ashkandi

urns out RDF, in fact, did not destroy the social dynamic of the game.

It did destroy the social aspect of the game, which is why people wanted classic.

@Zaalg-ashkandi

But at the end of the day, RDF is finally coming.

Its coming when it was originally released, this is authenticity. WoW dies with the lich king, and RDF symbolically represents that.

[Zojiro-grobbulus]

^— nuclear grade must-have-last-word coping going on in this poa.st

[Noxranna-bloodsail-buccaneers]

I’ve seen a lot of cope in my time playing this game, and that priest is definitely overdosing on it

[Zaalg-ashkandi]

@Zojiro-grobbulus

^— nuclear grade must-have-last-word coping going on in this poa.st

For a little while I just thought that priest was clueless, and not a troll. But that post…LOL. Talk about absurd. Just throw out random numbers based on nothing. Way too obvious.

Oh, and RDF was in half of Wrath. That’s a simple fact.

[Ottis-westfall]

@Blooddrunk-grobbulus

Its coming when it was originally released, this is authenticity.

RDF is not coming out when it originally did. It was released in 3.3.0. Wrath classic launched with patch 3.4.

[Abralan-benediction]

RDF entered wotlk later on in original, and it entered later on this time around too. It makes more sense to have it now and less sense to have it early.

[Ziryus-pagle]

@Abralan-benediction

RDF entered wotlk later on in original, and it entered later on this time around too. It makes more s ense to have it now and less sense to have it early.

It would have made more sense to have it at wrath classic launch. But better late than never.

[Bait-kargath (Bait)]

Two different timelines.

The first wrath had no 3.4.

3.4.0 was 3.0
3.4.1 was 3.1
3.4.3 is 3.3

All they did was put the “.4” between the content patch numbers. Regardless of how any of us feel, by content patches, 3.4.3 is the right time as to parallel 3.3.

[Anachronos-shandris]

Where it really fell flat was them claiming “its what killed the game” when you can still look at the current retail expansion of the game and see it is still there. If it was such a cut and dry this is what kills the game solution to move on from it it would be fairly obvious thing to remove from that version of the game too. So it really made it look like either a dodge from having to do it or just some stomp foot dev that didn’t want it because streamers don’t want it type situation.

[Misanthra-atiesh]

@Anachronos-shandris

If it was such a cut and dry this is what kills the game solution to move on from it it would be fairly obvious thing to remove from that version of the game too.

Even before chromie time this was needed.

Even cattle car’d…there were many cars.

Who is 1 to 60, and where in azeroth are they? who is 60 to 80 and where (wrath or tbc)? WHo is 80 to 90 (cata or mop)?

Wod then legion were 1 car each. So how many are on your server at that time to run them? And being real honest making players fly to helya in legion…would be cruel.

It be like the good old days of parents telling their kids to get that wood they’d beat them with. Not only will you suffer this dungeon. We are going to make you walk/fly to it too!

[Kelliste-antonidas (Kelliste)]

@Argorwal-ysera

You mean it plateaued and started to later decline?

Its still a peak even if the peak is a plateau. And it didnt start to decline until cata. RDF didnt kill guilds in cata… raids did. RDF didnt make people leave the game entirely either, things like Tol Barad being imbalanced, vengeance working in pvp and poor loot tables did, and Dragonsoul being a bad raid tanks being 1 shot on Ragnaros heroic like Blood Dk’s did through 1 million valued blood shields.