hi guys sorry for dumb question havent really gotten to play yet, can death knights currently tank as frost in wotlkc? i did that a lot back in the day and hoping i can get to do it again.
or is it set to one of the late wotlk patches where they changed it so only blood can tank efficiently? this is for dungeons only- i dont have interest in raid tanking on my dk.
Tanking 5 mans is about gear not spec or class really.
Anyone can tank them on normal with reasonable gear and dks of all specs have more than reasonable gear for anything pre 70. Eg boomkins woth gear that is at least blues within 5 levels of the mobs can tank normals without much issue in boomkin form.
Heroics same things you just need some defense gear if you want but with nerfs that’s not even really needed. You will need it for raids thou.
All 3 dk specs are tank specs.
true youre right, i remember doing all dps dungeon runs in icc gear and id boomkin tank stuff with a mage lol.
anyway thank u for the info it’s been so long i couldnt remember how exactly all the DK changes went when blizz decided they want blood to tank. Just wanted to make sure i wouldnt screw over a party if i was like “yeah ill tank for yall”
You will want to run Blood if you are tanking as a DK
Not true at all Blood is only the highest mit tank spec it is hardly the wanted tank spec. The most wanted tank spec is unholy as highest dps while tanking and completely safe to heal for heroics and normalsz in fact it’s even the current assumes meta go to offtabk for naxx 25 blood is not expected to be needed or wanted till uldar.
Remember people esp now days norm want speed more than saftey and are completely fine adding a bit of risk for a significantly faster run which is where blood dks drop off. Unholy nearly a full dps while tanking for 5 mans and in raids loses the least dps of all tanks to swap into tank vs dps.
You don’t even take that much more damage esp so in tbc normals where you are vastly more geared than the expected tank that’s leveling.
Perhaps. I’ve only used Blood to tank for where Wrath Classic is patched to. I know things changed a lot down the road but Blood was the go to tank spec. Frost and Unholy were both dps. Not saying you can’t tank, as I have had to do it before as Frost, but blood talents were meant for tanking. Just my opinion based on what I can remember.
What you remember is far from accurate thou. The meta changes a ton from old days to classic.
Also blizzard outright stated in wrath all 3 dk trees where made for tanking not just blood. And durring wrath all 3 where commonly used for tanking with blood only standing out as more common in hard modes when the damage got to the point it mattered.
I am speaking about what is and has been shown to be the case via beta and ptr. Esp as you are taking about blood and the other dk specs with icc out. As such you are talking icc heroics or icc both are a completely different ball game than tbc normals. Tbc normals are tuned around a normal tank in greens a few levels below the instance not decked out dks that are in blues that have the stats of lvl 60 blues. That’s approx the gear level the 68 normals are tuned around assuming you don’t enchabt anything.
While leveling runs are made to be tanked by non optimal tanks it has been common to tank in dps specs for leveling runs even for warriors and pallys back in og tbc and the non blood dk specs are vastly better at tanking than those with more gear to boot.
The only advantage blood has over the other two specs is more mit and self healing at a massive cut to dps. In leveling runs stuff is deleted far before that mit or self healing comes into play making more dps the wanted stat. Esp in a group with 4 dks that are most leveling groups right now where having someone tanking all the mobs is in fact harder on the healer as all the dps are able to hold just fine spilting the damage to the point the healer is not even needed in many cases.
This was true in earlier patches… And I guess Frost Presence is a tank presence.
That is true in all wrath patches not just In earlyer patches.
And has been proven without question on the beta where unholy has been settling in as the current favored offtank for speed run guilds blood has been found to be a higher cost to dps to use and even using a druid tank is better as lower dps loss with similar mit but unholy being the best balance of dps and requires mit for naxx. Partly as fights are to short to make snap shotting hysteria give enough dps to push them ahead. Blood will likly come ahead come uldar.
Good to know!
Blood will make it a lot easier on your healer. Frost will do more dps.
you will be fine with frost hybrid. unless your a min maxxer it doesnt really matter.
All 3 specs can dps or tank, though people generally go with Blood because that became the tanking spec in later expansions.
Frost tanks were the most common ones I remember seeing during normal mode progression from the start of the expansion all the way up through ICC. I think many defaulted to it because a lot of tanking abilities were in the Frost “school” (Icebound Fortitude, Frost Presence, etc.), so it was seen as sort of the de facto tank spec, at least on my server. There were at least a few Kingslayer Frost tanks that I remember seeing around Dal, so you will absolutely be able to clear all normal mode content as a Frost tank.
Blood was for hard modes due to the extra cooldowns. It became the designated tank spec in Cata. I saw Unholy tanks a few times and they were great on add fights like Lady Deathwhisper, but didn’t really stand out otherwise.
All this ignores the private server meta, so I’m sure there is an optimal choice, but that’s what I remember from back in the day.
For spamming heroic dungeons frost and unholy will be better than blood due to damage being low enough to not need the extra survival.
If you are undergeared and tanking though you will want to use blood, but dps will need to hold off longer.
Blood is better, but you can make frost work for 5 mans. Honestly you can tank 5 mans with a DPS spec, just pop into frost presence and off you go.
basically anyone can tank anything. ive tanked 5 mans on enhance shaman tank spec, and ive tanked heroics/raids in tbc shockadin spec while wearing my 500 resil pvp set w/ 41 pts holy 20 pts prot lol
no, blood is the tank spec that people want for content and required for certain encounters.
First learn to quote. There is never a reason to ever quote a massive block like that only to give a one line response. Quote that part relevent to your post. Quoting a block like that really makes it look like you don’t understand what your talking about as you are not even able to target what your responding to. In your case the only line there needed was me saying blood wasent the wanted tank. The post is than linked to your quote for those that want to read more.
As for being “Required” for certain encounters no there is not a single one that requires a blood tank.
There are ones that are easier to tank as blood esp as lesser gear levels but not a single one requires it. If you want to make that statment you should be giving specific examples esp when responding to someone who has done so.
And no blood is not the wanted spec by all people, yes your right some people want blood (mainly those that don’t care about speed which is quite a minority now days) which is why I never once spoke about what everyone wants as speaking for everyone never goes well. I specifically mentioned the speed running community and even mentioned in what content via pre uldar, that vary much is not thinking blood will be the wanted offtank.
While in 5 mans did mention the meta is not wanting blood it’s wanting a warrior tank if you really want to be meta thou and if restricted to dk tanks only than unholy is wanted as all 5 mana a healer can easilly heal any tank as such the highest dps tank that holds agro is the goal.
But do try again.
We really out here clearing all out lands content with 5 DKs it don’t matter this is WOTLK the game is borderline retail easy now.
Just grab 4 other DKs and bring a few stacks of food