I know Holy is the worst healer currently. Doesn’t need to be S tier but could use a lil help. Ty
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We can only hope for big change in 11.1
I have faith that we will.
Yes for one week then blizz will give you a glitch making you heal to much nerf you then fix the glitch so you do less then started
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We don´t ned buffs, we need a complete overhaul and rework. Sure, you could buff CoH / PoH etc. but that´s just another bandaid. We still would have the worst toolkit of any healer, or even any spec in the game. The worst dispell profile, the worst of everything with no niche we would thrive in. Blizzard needs to stop ignoring us. If there won´t be a full overhaul in 11.1, i´ll have to pause WoW till it will. It´s just too frustrating, seeing everything, everyone gets, while your own mainspec is stuck in classic in terms of toolkit, playstyle and everything else.
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I think this is another big one. I hated running stonevault because of the mob packs that lay down a curse ticking for 30%+ of someone’s hp and there’s not a thing I can do but heal harder.
I’m of the opinion that Priest should be able to dispel everything, but that’s me on a cost/benefit line of thinking of cool things to get in lieu of mobility.
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Massdispell, on a 2 min CD, for sure should dispell everything. The drawback is already implemented: it´s a 2 min CD.
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Buffed? It seems fine from a numbers perspective when I’m healing. But A redesign for the modern game is something it truly needs.
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Holy should be the best HPS with an identity of being “the” healer that only heals.
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I don’t think hpriest should be the best, I just would like some more/interesting utility and maybe some better aoe healing for 5 man content. I can do all 10s at 628-630 sort of comfortably now and timed my first 11 the other day. (Mists of course) I don’t think I will push past 11s though, but I guess we will see.
I’m with those that have just stopped playing until a redesign comes down the pipe. Holy is so awful and miserable to play right now.
The “seems fine” feeling falls apart pretty quick when you dip toes in higher Keylevels. There you realise that you have zero AoE healing. Like no AoE at all. A little cleave with ToL and BH that kinda does nothing to safe people for strong AoE situations. Also you have to stand still, casting global for global and call personals and use yours. And the upside of it is… nothing. You get nothing in return for being such a “bad” healer with a non existant toolkit.
100%. Especilly considering we bring nothing else to the table. Everything we had, was nerfed into uselesness, like Symbol and MD. Which was already a laughable toolkit.
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Holy has never been #1 on hps in raid healing really in forever and that’s mainly due to the fact that were stacked. We have 3 raid wide healing cds, Stam buff, and Symbol of Hope. We used to have fights with Mass Dispel as well where you needed 2 Priests, but Blizzard has basically completely eliminated MD from having any use for raid.
Blizzard has to pump up a few healers to be better in overall hps just to give them raid viability.
In a Mythic setting there’s always a Priest going to be present for the Stam buff and with Shadow not performing that hot its been mainly a Holy Priest this raid tier.
For M+ Holy is just front loaded too much into single target heals. Archon has AOE heals for 15s with Halo, but it’s no where on the same level as Disc’s atonement healing which lets you pretty much brrr group healing.
Holy to me feels like it requires a much higher skill gap to play properly in +12s then Disc. You have to pre-plan every healing cd for every boss mechanic as Holy while on Disc you have Mind Blast and Mindbender resetting so often you don’t even need to really stress it.
Holy’s damage output in M+ is also a lot less then what can Disc can do as well. I can easily rip 400k+ overall on Disc in some of the dungeons.
It’s not something that can be fixed unless they really overhaul Holy to have baseline Archon level Halo on a shorter cd.
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I´d love halo to be “interactive”. Cast to start and then control the bounces via button push. We would have AoE burst with that.
I just finished my last +10 of the S1 dungeons… it was City (Nightmare ) of Threads. This season has not been fun for me and I doubt I will push any further because of everything I have had to overcome. Is it just me or are others getting rejected a bunch? It seems PUG groups do not want to take a Holy Priest and when you do get invited to the group you work your tail off to move the health bars. The dungeons are too stressful. I miss Circle of Healing, Prayer of Healing, and weaving in Holy Words. Also, the Holy Words do not seem very powerful anymore. It’s just Flash Heal → Flash Heal → Heal spam. And what is up with all the Curses and Poison? Is this someone’s sick twisted idea to make us re-roll?
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Yup. I broke down and rolled a Shaman. The COMPLETE difference in quality of life is unbelievable.
Things I can do now:
- Rapid-fire burst AoE Healing
- Lust
- Self-Rez
- Keep up / Outrun the group with Spirit Wolf
- Cast while moving during movement intensive phases
- Multiple Defensives
- Multiple effective Healing CDs
- Poison Removal
- Curse Removal
- A Dash
- Knockup
- AoE Stun
- Interrupt
- Plus more I’m sure I missed
In case you’re wondering. These are examples of what a Shaman can do that Priests can’t.
Seriously, why play a priest anymore at this point? - Just so you can flex HPS in Raid because Halo? Ok…
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CoT is definitely the hardest key as Holy and it feels significantly easier on Disc.
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Yup expect rejection as a Holy priest.
I had to lie my sign ups by signing as disc and then changing to holy at the dungeon, Otherwise I wouldn’t have been invited to time my 12s.
Not really interested in pushing 13s now.
Holy has to do way more than every other healer and not having curse/poison dispel on top of no defensives makes you very (extremely) group dependant.
I don’t like that Halo does, seemingly, 90% of all my healing in a raid when 95% of the time I’m trying to make smart moves with spells that end up contributing single digit percentages to my overall healing. I’m convinced this is why my dungeon healing feels miserable and simply too weak to keep up with the amount of damage this season.
I am extremely pleased with my HPS in raid. Holy Priest always seems to be the top healer in that content. Simply buffing us would make us too powerful; they need to balance the heals a bit. Having Renew, Power Word: Shield, Prayer of Healing, and Circle of Healing capable of doing anything significant would help in the dungeons and I’d be happy if they took some of that from Halo.
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This really isn’t the case though.
While I agree that Holy Priest is weak in M+, significantly so in comparison to other specs, Halo really isn’t like a major culprit. Almost everyone’s hero talents are their biggest contributors to their healing now. This isn’t super unique to priest. Hpriest ALSO isn’t the best HPS in raid, it’s actually the lowest. Granted, it’s only by about 2%, but it’s nowhere near a point where they should be afraid to buff anything because it would make Holy too strong in Raid. Holy’s good in raid because of how it slots into the comp - not because it’s got insane healing.
But also, Halo is just not like way higher than their single target healing in raid. Often in the best logs, you’re going to see Heal higher than Halo. And if anything, that’s the actual problem:
Holy’s healing is heavily single target, and they have 0 defensives, mobility or utility for a dungeon group. That’s basically it.
Holy can power through a lot of the healing checks right now with their ST healing in a group properly rotating defensives. But the Holy priest is just going to die half the time because they can’t live through anything in a high key, and their only defensives are fade/DP.
Then you measure it against Disc, who has the 100% bonus atonement in dungeons granting constant super high burst healing, but ALSO 2 charges of pain supp to live through things. It’s obvious which is better for a key where the boss can oneshot you.
It’s just in general fairly weak.
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