Are we not discussing endgame here?
Endgame in Classic: Raids and PvP and whatever grind we have.
Endgame in Retail: Raids, PvP, Mythic+ and whatever grind we have.
But what exactly is better in TBC in endgame? I already acknowledged the journey to endgame is the best. But what is left to do at 70 other than run something which is obviously going to fall over?
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Difficulty of raids doesn’t determine if a game is good. [quote]
Fair
There is far more you can do outside of raids in classic,
Most of what you’re doing outside of raids is rep grinding, you know that thing people talk about hating?
and the gear you get in raids is meaningful. [/quote]
How meaningful can it be when you’re able to dunk on Gruul with leveling gear?
Overall TBC is just the better game, where systemlands plays like a singleplayer.
Subjective.
Classic: Raids, pvp, worldpvp, world bosses, heroics, farm gold
Retail: Raids, pvp, m+, renown, torghast
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Why have you removed World PvP, World Bosses and Farming gold from retail?
World pvp hardly exists on retail, world bosses are irrelevent to run if you’re renown capped, gold is pretty much meaningless in retail.
You should be paying me for all these fixes.
World PvP does exist on Retail in the same way it does on Classic.
World Bosses are run regularly by people not just for Renown but for the 250 Anima + a chance at gear for Alts and Legendary memory drops.
I don’t agree that gold is meaningless in Retail just because you earn at a higher rate.
What would you do if I added the following to retail endgame:
Like Most of what you’re going to be doing at end game in TBC outside of raiding or PVP is going to be rep grinding, which is pretty much doing a limited number of daily quests over and over again so that you can get patterns, gear and/or exotic mounts.
How is that any better then Retail’s world quests?
I think many players prefer how heroic dungeons play in TBC vs. retail.
The AOE sprint to the finish line in retail is more geared toward the twitchy esports crowd. Classic dungeons had a more methodical pace to it.
Different strokes for different folks
World pvp does not exist in the same way on classic, it’s far less meaningless. Gold is useless on retail because there is hardly anything you can do with it, not because of the rate you earn it.
Alright I can agree on this. While Mythic+ is a replacement to heroics, it is not the same due to the timer for sure
Okay fair enough but what about repair costs? They are still hefty. Wipe about 5 to 10 times and you’ve spent about close to 500 to 1k gold.
And how about this one which you ignored?
It’s funny you’re saying this when spell cleave was the way to do dungeons in classic and trying to treat them the way they were intended just got folks pissed off at you and slowed down the run.
I dunno, maybe they addressed that in tbc.
Classic is mostly filled with spams of “LFM Mage for Blizzard spam or AOE spam” stuff in LFG. I found a lot of messages with that.
Try that in heroic BF and see how that turns out.
Normal dungeons do not equate to heroics in TBC
class design was better.
Those groups are leveling. They aren’t running heroics
I was talking about endgame in previous posts so while you’re right, it raises an alarming concern:
The best part about Classic is the journey to the endgame and people are willing to skip it.
That’s subjective, I don’t find the journey at all interesting.
I only leveled a toon through classic so I could play TBC endgame.
Kara and heroics were some of my favorite endgame WoW has offered.
I’m appreciative of a lot of the changes over the years, but will happily relive this content until I’m done with it