Currently in Retail you’ve got a “community” (use the term loosely) who is incredibly toxic, hostile, elitist, and exclusionary to each other. The newer or less skilled player is left in the dust while systems like ilvls and raiderio run rampant.
Part of me is hoping that with Classic, you’ll have so many people leave that those same folks staying on retail can’t really afford to be so garbage to each other, and maybe more of those folks who are learning their way through M+ won’t get rejected as much for not having a billion points on some third party website.
The game doesn’t, but the lack of people I think (and hope) will. Who will the big dogs of raiderio get to boss and bully around when there’s no one left?
Interesting thought, but I just don’t see it happening.
LFD / LFR Cross-realming…while it remains in place, people will continue to treat others as disposable toilet wipes. There’s simply no incentive to be polite or fair when you can just grab another person from anywhere, there will always be another person waiting in the sidelines.
Refail has had it’s day, as has Original. Time for WoW 3.0 and a new dev team who can be trusted to not overlook the social impacts of just adding more for the sake of more.
I miss how excluded noobs were in Classic actually. Noobs had to work hard to get respect and level up, face adversity, learn about the game. Stuff wasn’t handed to them.
Let’s get back to that.
if you log in now, you already have like 5 pets and 10 mounts and gold.
Even that pool will dry up though. The big dogs will have to start treating the noobs who want to climb up to the top better, since there will be no one left. That, or find their precious game completely dead.
At the same time though most folks in vanilla were pretty bad and learning, and yet got to do raids and stuff. 40 people in a raid meant that one person could sort of blend in a bit more. In a way classic should be more welcoming and inclusive right?
You can use “toxicity” as a barometer of how well the game is doing at holding a population. When all those people unsub because the game’s got “boring” then things get a lot more chill and relaxed around here.
Lately things have really gotten a lot nastier than usual, in my experience.
They really have. My fresh 120 rogue got kicked repeatedly just from trying to do heroic island expeditions, along with a slew of rude comments and names. Simply for not having a super high item level right upon dinging max.
The big dogs aren’t running +5 keys, they aren’t present to badmouth noobs. The people you’re describing are bad players blind to their own shortcomings. Funny enough, this sort of shooting off at the mouth is anything but common in my experience going above 10 keys. Preach described such a phenomenon even back in Legion, where once you crossed a certain “challenge” threshold the average group was both easier and much more civil.
If retail hemorrhages players to classic that badly (It almost certainly won’t) then it’s already dead.
Most MC, ZG and AQ20 bosses did exactly one special thing each, and most characters could fill their assigned roles with 2-3 buttons each. Challenging 5man content literally didn’t exist yet.
Yes and no, but a filthy casual certainly has the potential to clear MC, ZG and AQ20. Possibly some or all of BWL, but that’s gonna be more hit or miss. It’s going to require a noticeable time commitment though.
And my experience has been the exact opposite, so let’s just assume my personal anecdote cancels out yours and we’re back at zero. Regardless, a group leader in general calling for a much higher RIO score than they themselves have should be regarded as a trap and avoided entirely, whether you meet the requirement or not. It is not the default. That’s just plain old exaggeration.
That’s my point though, my hope is that there will end up being far less of that later on the road, because they will not be able to be as picky with their choices.
I think it’s much more likely for the opposite to happen.
The game affects things to a degree but it’s more how people have changed over time. It’s only a matter of time until something like raider io comes to Classic.
It always existed in Vanilla. It was called “Do you have most of the gear from this tier or the previous one.” And that worked fine because you didn’t get BWL items by doing a daily quest for Timbermaw Hold. Not to mention that the notion of running a PUG through anything above MC was completely unthinkable (and even in MC you wouldn’t expect a full clear.)
I don’t really want to get into it because that’s all these forums have been for the last week. There’s really nothing Blizzard could do to stop a raider io type system, though it would be more difficult since it won’t have an armory to pull info from. Kind of like how they can only limit ClassicLFG, not actually get rid of it.
Maybe I’m wrong, but I have a feeling that eventually it will happen.
Don’t know about you, but that isn’t how it worked for my alts when I’d fill raid spots for other groups. It was more “do you have decentish gear and the proper resists?”
Classic will most certain harm Alliance who are already struggling with keeping enough people to raid. Their mythic plus community is much smaller too. But I believe all content will take a huge hit coming tomorrow. Most of us aren’t going back to retail, at least in the state it is.
