You used different phrasing to say the exact same thing.
You’ll find this in Classic too, but continue…
Not entirely true. There are enough catch-up mechanics and the LFR system that people can play very casually and still see what the game has to offer. You’ll have trouble as a Heroic Or Mythic raider, or trying to push Mythic keys, but you can still see everything.
Here’s my guess. You’ll have a sizeable “Classic Only” crowd. You’ll have a sizeable “Retail Only” crowd. Then you’ll have the largest majority that will play both, maybe more on Retail, maybe more on Classic, but both nonetheless.
Toxic behaviour was there back in Vanilla, and it is here today in Retail. It will transfer over to Classic, and return back to Retail. It has nothing to do with the game, it’s all about the people.
It won’t change much, and I don’t think those that remain in Retail will notice a sizable change in the number of people playing.
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It may to a certain extent, but not drastically. If anything, you might see retail try to capture some of the hype from Classic. However, I think has one type of player with retail and another with Classic. Why make retail more like Classic when you already have the Classic crowd happy. They’d be better off “fixing” retail for what the other crowd wants and continue catering to them.
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Yeah but do you know the difference? Server reputation.
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Haven’t hit max level for an xpac or two so unsure what end game culture turned into. However questers seem pretty chill.
OP wasn’t talking about Classic though. OP was talking about Retail behavior.
Because while people like me love what classic did well, we’d like to 1. Keep seeing and doing new things, and 2. Have some of those awesome classic elements and the superior moment-to-moment gameplay of modern.
I just don’t think they will. It’s too risky. A very large part of the retail crowd would mutiny if they made changes to be more in line with Vanilla. You listed reasons why YOU would like to see that, but from a business perspective, there is no reason to do it and plenty of reasons against it.
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Classic is going to suit a niche crowd of people, specifically those that were around and actually played classic AND those that like a challenge with their games/mmo’s.
As it stands retail wow is pretty much self playing, all you need to do is press w,a,s,d, space, 1-0 and that’s it. Classic is going to require people to actually READ the quest in order to find out where to go to complete said quest (Cue Mankrik’s wife).
Retail players won’t like this extra added effort to the game as they’re so used to mindless circle searching and achievements etc.
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/shrug
I didn’t have BWL gear on one of my alts but I still PuG’d AQ40 (granted not all of it though, had to do that with a guild).
I don’t really see what that has to do with my original point though. You can see how experienced/geared someone is without using raider io or any other addon in retail but people still use it for convenience. I think someone is eventually going to do it for Classic too, so everyone can be organized into neat little rankings.
And my larger point was, the game changing affected the community some but so did a whole lot of out of game stuff that Blizzard has no control over. I don’t think Classic is going to change the culture of Retail and I don’t think Retail is going to necessarily change the culture of Classic, but the world is going to make Classic more like Retail than like Vanilla, as far as the culture is concerned.
This describes the people of the classic forums pretty well so…
I thought only Chuck Norris had that type of control.
This was always the community. There was never a time when this was not the community.
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not really the ones that like their esport rng lootbox at the end of the week will stay on retail.
the ones that want to play a real mmorpg will stay with classic wow.
Most people did not raid.
I think your getting a little dramatic. Most will want a high ilvl or gear score to carry them. Its funny how i have a 1000 io on my main go to an alt and low key people dont even know what it is.
Treating people like crap what made me quit. Between trying to get into anything over a 12 or getting kick from a raid because we have to many melee and you are lowest melee on dps. I wasn’t far off from top just lower. No one cares if you can do the mechanics just pew pew you do alot of dmg. No worries if you take dmg.
Classic not taking dmg is more important then trying to parse.
That’s some thing that gets glossed over by the vast majority of the discussions on this forum lately. The blue statement was that only about 2% of the community actually experienced the raids in vanilla during the vanilla era.
Honestly I found being a noob in classic a lot easier. Yea leveling was harder, but there were people out there who helped. Dungeon groups wouldn’t yell at noobs or just kick them for being new. You weren’t stuck with normal gear while everyone else had boas. The grind to 120 is way more intimidating even if it takes less time. This is an overlooked reason I think for falling numbers on retail. In vanilla being new wasn’t awful… in current retail it is. You always are going to lose players, to offset you need new ones.
I don’t think that will be the way with Classic.