I want to see more PVE viability from survival hunter. We haven’t seen any buffs or anything since release…
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The odds of them doing anything related to Survival is so low that you have a better chance of winning the lottery. They changed us in Legion as a meme because of people saying “Melee hunter is a thing” and then made Survival. Don’t get me wrong, Legion Survival was fun and the best version of melee Survival so far but when it came time to make changes Blizzard had almost 0 clue what to do with it. Going into BFA we got a few changes, nothing ground shattering, but we got changes. We were still low in BFA compared to other classes but SL has been the worst so far. Coming into it we got 0 changes to our base kit, numbers, only thing that happened was we were nerfed because our azerite was gone. They have absolutely 0 idea what to do with Survival and they won’t revert it because in their mind they are never wrong. It’s the classical tale of where someone is so stubborn they know they are wrong but will never admit it and fix a problem they cause because they were so stubborn.
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That’s how i feel as well. It’s ridiculous but i know they don’t want to go back on legion’s doing with SV because the artifact weapons that solidified SV being what it is right now. I know they won’t make it full on ranged again because they can’t even start to explain how sorry they are and all the skins/models you worked for in legion meant absolutely nothing because you’re back to shooting bows/arrows now.
But, i don’t mind melee hunt either but i wish the toolkit was a bit different and better scaling/output, unno? Not even asking for the world for SV just some viability.
BlIzz backed themselves into a corner with this. There have been a few times where SV has been the top spec since the rework, but it has always hadvdterrivle representation because most hunters don’t want to be melee and they removed a beloved spec for it.
If blizz wants to increase its reputation, it has to be hilariously above the other two specs. At which point, they would have a bigger problem. I highly doubt most of the hunter community would be happy being “forced” to play SV.
Eh, I think the better option is a 4th spec and just let it work with BM or MM’s Legion weapons / story.
Think about this, there is zero chance of Blizz not adding another class at some point in the future regardless of whatever happens with SV. At that point, whenever that is, they have to decide how that works within Legion’s old content.
Old content should not be the reason why we cannot have new classes or specs, or less preferably, reworks / reverts. Blizz has also removed content before, and I think if they think it is in their best interests, they will do so again.
Let’s be real, they can’t get 3 hunter specs right (balance and playstyle), and we think they will add a 4th? No chance.
Survival will rot away for another expansion until it’s eventually reworked back to ranged in some future expansion.
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At least we will eventually have Wrath servers. So we’ll get to see ranged SV return before long.
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I of course don’t think the odds of them adding a 4th spec are high. I do think it is the right choice moving forward with the class however to avoid the same thing that happened to RSV fans from happening to SV’s current fans.
And balance isn’t super relevant overall anyway IMO. It hasn’t stopped them from adding multiple new classes when they have never been able to keep everyone balanced anyway. Balance hasn’t ever been a compelling argument as far as what specs / classes should or shouldn’t be added to the game. The balance is gonna suck no matter what, might as well give people what they want as far as gameplay is concerned.
Most likely I’ll end up playing classic at that point if they haven’t done something concerning the mess of their making with SV by then tbh.
wasn’t survival the best spec at 1 stage?
how did they screw up so… much?..
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Updates for tomorrow once again exclude SV hunter.
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Yes agreed with you.
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Nothing is going to happen to Surv hunter this expansion. I suppose because of that there is a higher chance Blizzard is going to do another overhaul with the class/spec with the next expansion. Maybe.
It’s been a funny train wreck (WoW’s overall history of things that has happened) in any case.
You’ll be waiting until at least next expansion for any changes. Even then I doubt anything will happen.
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They made it melee.
It was to similar to marksman.
Reason I re-subbed for classic just a few weeks ago, seeing BC come out hopefully means Wrath will be on the way at some point too (I didn’t even bother buying SL). SV was My main from LK - WOD (Vanilla - BC went between a lock and hunter) and I tried MM and it just was not anywhere near the same and really was never a fan of it.
WotLK is one of the most interesting periods in the game from a class design perspective. It was like a period of transition from classic to modern design where they were mostly concerned with taking what already existed and adding on to it rather than rewokring stuff like Cataclysm and beyond. So when you play WotLK there’s actually a sense of progression as you level up that I feel isn’t fully manifested in Classic and BC. Basically it’s what Classic class design should have been.
Survival in particular is really fun to level. It’s certainly not as good as BM for solo content but the better traps, Lock and Load from traps, the mana efficiency, and Wyvern Sting really come together to make it feel like the utilitarian, resourceful opportunist it was meant to be. You can tell they took what was already there and figured out how to make it fun and unique as an independent DPS spec; not an “MM clone” like the current developers think it was, and not a mix of random unrelated abilities, but a Hunter that truly used every tool it had to the greatest extent to get an advantage.
I still think later iterations were better than WotLK; there was no Serpent Spread, your AoE still revolved around just channelling Volley, mana never made much sense, auto-shot was still immobile, it still had leftover “rpg elements” in the form of ammo, pet happiness, and a minimum range, it had Sniper Training for some unknown reason (even at the time people recognised it should be an MM thing), and it had a 1.5 second GCD, but WotLK was the first expansion where Survival had any sort of prominence and for probably the first time the Hunter playerbase was legitimately excited for the spec. It really was 2 expansions ahead of its time.
The Hunter that gets the short end of the stick in WotLK is BM. It has zero depth to it and didn’t get much new as opposed to MM and SV (its new ability was taming exotic pets, so it was mostly passive bonuses still) and early on in WotLK it got hit with collossal nerfs that it never recovered from until Cataclysm.
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I am ready
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MOP would be the best for RSV but I’m not going to hold my breath they will go that far (would be good and would be where I would hold server expansions like people have the option with Classic and BC) .
Isn’t LK when they started watering down Beastal wrath or was that a bit later? *
IIRC, it ate some nerfs in 3.1. That was in part because Beast Cleave was becoming a dominant comp in arena at the time and Blizz was catching a lot of flak for “AI” doing all of the work for players.
@ OP you’re not the only one. Figured I’d at least stay with the OP’s thread topic
Wouldn’t hold your breath though. The community for the most part has come together with some really good ideas (and ofc some terrible ones) but unfortunately these forums are just for players and devs don’t come here.
Gonna be a long expansion for a lot of specs.
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Lol it’s non-existent in pvp too