How about instead of derailing critical discussions of a game you follow your own advice and walk away.
Absolute narcissist feel the need to derail every discussion that slightly bothers them.
When I played the main story of TWW I hated it and thought I might not even push to 80. Maybe try to get a refund or something.
Then I started doing sidequests. Helping the kobolds, running into goblins unexpectedly (and getting to call in airstrikes on their âtroublemakersâ) was when I first started to think âyeah, alright this is interesting/fun.â Its also the only content that felt remotely horde-like. Helping the weird misunderstood bestial race, goblin mischief it was finally something that wasnt all alliance heavy kumbaya stuff.
Do those sidequests. Some of them will surprise you. Just skip all cinematics and main story stuff, its for a very different kind of person. (Its ok to be different, whether you like that stuff or hate it)
People apparently wanted to be able to play with their friends even cross faction. I think this allows for more of that for the most part even with the campaign.
Thereâs also a weird vibe in the air where some feel the faction restrictions and conflict are bad cause itâs segregation, and or promoting racism I think. I find that opinion to be incredibly odd but there are people with that point of view. These are the same people that will blow up the forums anytime anything slightly controversial in a quest occurs.
I personally would prefer WoW not to be walking on eggshells land and instead more to its roots for at least bursts here and there despite the outcry. Why? Word of mouth is good advertising even if people get upset, which will happen no matter what you do anyway.
Donât be afraid to do difficult and controversial content Blizzard, cause it might be doing more of a service than a disservice. Itâs good to talk and think about difficult things (like Anduins mental health despite him being seen as âwhinyâ).
Agreed. Faction conflict is always the most compelling content. Anyone who disagrees is a person who has numerous alts and canât pick a side.
Even if youâre not into the story of the conflict it give the world more vibrancy and allows you to experience different stories and perspectives about the ongoing events. The language and faction barrier was one of their most hotly debated issues before the release of the game and one of the biggest successes. I get they needed to allow cross-faction grouping for other reasons in M+ and raids (the population imbalance being a self-perpetuating problem), but they didnât have to do away with the whole vibe of the world.
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They probably havenât done the level 80 campaign. There was a whole thread with similar comments, and I was trying to point out I did the first chapter with Thrall helping the Earthen, then logged off about to start questing with Lilian Voss. Doesnât matter though. Theyâll still say itâs not enough.
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This Horde and Alliance thing has always been overratedâŚWOW has a problem with continuity and proper storytelling so it was always all over the place.
Also they made the night elves lame and the conflict led to the Jailer who was utterly ridiculous.
Lastly with the never ending list of world ending threats and the fact we had so much crap happen in the last few decadesâŚIt would be stupid to destroy ourselves.
I think the game has gone too far to script a faction war that makes sense anymore. What Blizzard needs to improve on is remembering that despite being mostly thematic now, those factions do still exist. They need to have storylines showing their differences. Orcs/Trolls etc are not human, they should not act like humans.
Its just not the type of quest that Horde players like. We donât want to just see Thrall holding hands singing kumbaya with the earthen. Even though you can point and say âsee! there is a horde guyâ he isnt acting like an Orc. We want quests that remember our theme and that no culturally we arent all human. This âeveryone is basically a human from Californiaâ is just lazy writing.
Yes I agree, they donât have to be in conflict to have the divide. Just having unique storylines for each faction is fine. The horde would approach encountering new conflicts and lands differently than the alliance factions, and they could come into tension without outwardly fighting with each other. Thatâs already how the world generally was in vanilla, the two factions existed, were not openly at war with each other, and fought around the edges, but other times cooperated and mostly came together for big events.
And then you can tell more faction specific stories, like the defias story for humans.
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Especially for some of these allied races. I mean what are the Zandalari even up to these days? A huge troll empire is justâŚdoing nothing? At least the Dark Iron Dwarves got some stuff going in TWW, but again people will argue that thatâs more alliance content.
Yeah itâs great to have lots of faction specific stories. That was one of the things that made WoW great, was that you could really get immersed in whatever race, faction, group, etc. that you found interesting and follow those threads out a bit in addition to the main story. It also allows you to give different groups within each faction victories and stuff to do, whereas the combined story has largely neglected the horde characters lately (and in the past it was too focused on some of them, like Sylvanas).
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Have you seen any of the dev chat videos over the past few years? Explains everything when you see and hear the people making this game today.
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You really got me thinking now. This game isnt bad, but the attention to detail could be so much better. For example, why isnât Bwomsandi the permanent spirit healer for the horde races? Knowing that the Zandalari made that pact with him and the horde supported it?
Little flavor details like that would go a long way with the playerbase.
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Itâs more that you could experience the story from different perspectives and each with Itâs own flavor. This is more like Henry Fordâs model-T. It comes in any color you want as long as itâs black.
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I agree that would be a cool change to do stuff like that. Details like that go much further than people think to making the world feel alive and vibrant. Thatâd be awesome to have Bwonsamdi as the spirit healer, and he sometimes mocks you if you spirit res, etc.
Its a fine line to balance. but in the past they were able to walk that tight rope quite well.
There needs to be a separation of horde and alliance experiences. But they need to make sure they dont put the Horde V alliance story as the main aspect of it.
Faction war is a great back burner story, not a good main one.
But they need to actually give those factions identity again. Its very lame now because ever since, i wanna say legion, its just been more akin to Saturday morning cartoon adventures were the player basically just follows around a hand full of characters who do all the stuff.
It worked in legion because it was illidan who everyone loved. It gets boring following around these people that are either poorly developed, or have been character assassinated to just kinda suck.
In the history of Thrall, when has he acted like other Orcs? The closest I can think of is when he killed Garrosh, which was justified. Heâs not a bellicose character. Never has been.
im right there with you
I really enjoyed the faction thing back in the day and I do miss it but it does make the game less convenient. Itâs nice to be able to just do dungeons or raids with whoever your friends are and they can play whatever they want. I would actually say though that the most close knit time of the game was back before there was bnet and cross realms and all of that and that was a totally different feel, which was really nice, but again, it has major drawbacks.
I guess itâs all a compromise. I think they could probably do something better to bring back a little of the magic though. I remember seeing Sylvanas in UC and it was really cool. The factions leaders were a bigger deal back in the day and no one cares and hasnât for a long time because itâs just blah now.