Because the majority of players want that.
I really think it boils down to this: crying If I have to start my Blood Elf, Draenei, and jewelcrafting from scratch, then everybody else should too or else I’ll be behind in Outland…
Just plain ol’ crybaby mentality.
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Many of them are players who want TBC, but never played the private servers to know how horrible fresh servers are for TBC.
Unlike vanilla, TBC is 100% dependent on vanilla or classic for its faction distribution. Fresh servers basically means everyone plays horde. If you want to raid on a fresh TBC server your only option is horde.
Fresh TBC servers flat suck for that reason alone.
There are reasons for and against every server type going into tbc…
Main points of contention:
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Gold/Economy almost assuredly needs a reset.
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People will want their characters from vanilla
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Already bad faction balance issues getting significantly worse in TBC via people faction stacking horde for better racials and or pvp partners
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People for some reason feeling entitled to stay at 60 post naxx vanilla indefinitely
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People not liking TBC and wanting to play vanilla.
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People want Authenticity
Doing entirely separate servers where you’d have to level from 1+ solves problem 1… but breaks 2 and 3 (4 and 5 would be unrelated)… and fails at 6 because of 1 and 2.
It’s solving problems but creating others…
THAT being said, failure to separate servers is going to cause problems of its own.
Right now, my best compromise plan would be this:
-TBC servers will go active 2 weeks before Dark portal Opens. This means creating BE/Draenie characters, and/or playing those starting zones will be possible. JC profession will also be active during this time. It’s basically a TBC launch, without the dark portal and outland available.
-You will be allowed to ONE WAY transfer a character to TBC from vanilla realms during those 2 weeks. This transfer will ONLY include character, soul bound items (including mounts), but NO gold.
-Rerolls will have 2 weeks within which to get leveled up for the portal event.
-Current 60s can farm gold /mats etc if they so choose for those 2 weeks, or help boost guildies up.
-People that stay on Vanilla realms, will get force merged into a few mega servers with layering… I don’t personally agree that they should at all have the opportunity to progress at their own pace (as og vanilla had a very set time limit, effectively ending on TBC prepatch launch), but gamers today are all soft and overly entitled and will cry their damn brains out on the forums if they aren’t allowed their totally inauthentic QOL changes because they’re too damn lazy to level up once every two years or actually play the game as designed and for some reason think their delusions are sustainable long term despite over a decade of evidence to the contrary.
-Fresh vanilla realms will spawn for those that enjoyed and wish to repeat vanilla over again and aren’t overly entitled babies demanding a massive foundational change to the game as designed.
-At the end of the 2 year period, the process repeats for both the vanilla and TBC realms with TBC realms potentially then getting the option to move to WotLK realms, if those end up existing.
-Characters on the mega dump off servers for those that don’t move forward into the next expansion, that remain inactive for over 6 months, are deleted.
I don’t think TBC endgame content should be stomped like it is in classic. Ideally I’d like to see it overtuned across the board. I’m talking about launch criteria for overall health of TBC classic, which should be the case if my suggestions are followed.
I guarantee some people will not play TBC if they can’t skip classic leveling. Allowing them to make a badly geared 58 premade and experience the dark portal event with all the AQ40/Naxx geared players would be hugely beneficial. The premade wouldn’t “catch up” to the geared/epic mounted 60 very quickly, but it would at least allow them to play a very cool and unique time in the game’s launch that they would otherwise think “oh I have to level from 1-58 before TBC? that’s a lot of time investment, I’ll go play something else”.
I’d honestly say that at this point, the MAJORITY of players would rather get dungeon boosted while AFK/watching netflix than actually level their alt for the 4+th time. Don’t get me wrong, classic leveling at launch was fun, but by the 2nd and 3rd alt, it definitely loses its charm.
As for the selfish argument of “they didn’t level like we did, they shouldn’t get to enjoy the endgame content!”. Well, they didn’t enjoy the endgame for that level range. You got to experience classic WoW launch, endgame dungeons, raids, 60 battlegrounds. They essentially skipped classic WoW altogether, and a lot of people wouldn’t have it any other way.
And the players who want the hard reset? Again, add new servers with no 58s, no coppies, and disabled xfers for 6+months.
I don’t think it’s jealousy as much as they legitimately are worried about the amount of gold being carried over. Which I also worry about.
I say strip everyone of their gold—you go into the expac with what’s in your bags/bank and the gear on your back.
You assume that people are continuing their alliance toons rather than start a fresh horde over racials by not having fresh servers.
People who care enough are just gonna reroll anyway for the racial, probably during the end of classics content update to be ready once the xpac hits.
Nothing wil prevent the lopsided-ness towards horde. You can see the trend in classic and it is just gonna continue on into TBC.
You just have to rely on people (like me for instance) who know full well that horde has by far the superior racials and despite that still went ally. Its always gonna be an uphill battle, fresh servers or continuation
The only horde PVP racial worth having in TBC is Will of the Forsaken, and the Only other competitive racial is Perception, and perception is really damn good and super competitive with will of the forsaken. Orc gets nerfed hard, basically out of PVP existence, and all the other racials are meh.
For PVE, the difference is microscopic, but apparently 1 - 2% is big biz and gotta have them raid parse values! Really the only people who are going to see any value in that are those people who’re speed clearing and are in the top 10 raid teams globally.
For everyone else its 99.999% meaningless.
Right there with ya, I played enough on the TBC private servers to know better but still play alliance. Thing is, I want enough alliance on TBC to at least have a decent pool of players to raid with unlike the Private servers that are no kidding 99% horde, and you have just enough to do Kara and heroics.
Once in a while you get lucky on the private servers and can find some decent PVP’rs to Arena with, most of the time not so lucky. Alliance for life!
I doubt very much classic would die, no matter how TBC is presented, save a forced continuance rather than separate game servers.
Counterpoint: I think Retail would suit you better if you actually believe that.
Why didn’t you simply respond to those posts in those threads rather than creating yet another separate thread on the subject?
I mean how can it get worse than it is currently. I have some firm statistics that shows TBC has as little as 0 current players. Vanilla classic is clearly better!
7:17 PM 6/24/2020
They won’t wipe us. There’s no logical reason to do it. I’ve crushed every embarrassing argument people have tried to provide to justify a wipe. They’re either incredibly selfish or perhaps delusional. Sadly, my last good post about it was unnecessarily censored by Blizzard, and I couldn’t recover it from my history. I’m ticketing support to request the deleted post (something they should reference up front but never do). I don’t expect a helpful response (never had one to date).
[This post is being unnecessarily censored by Blizzard until July 2nd.]