None of this is giving us a quality MMO game at any rate. I think if it did, the masses would be on board. They’re cancelling Blizzcon again. I heard many people preach about escapism and this isn’t helping; you take away that and it won’t be long before [Retail, OFFICIAL] WoW becomes discontinued completely.
They have always said that they will keep making expansions so long as people are willing to keep paying for them, so I don’t think they will stop making expansions on retail, they still have a great story to tell with Shadowlands, and I know I’ve been a bit side-tracked now with everything that’s been going on with the recent scandals and whatnot, but I do find the story of Shadowlands, and the themes of the afterlife and what it means incredibly fascinating and interesting…no question about that, I think the story of Sylvanas and finding aspects of reality unfair and in need of fixing…fascinating stuff. It’s all morally grey to me, and I look forward to streamers like Accolonn making more videos about what’s going on in a few months time.
But over next few months, I think we need to consider what’s happening in the real world and why things have come to this, yes okay you can say that the scandals were all on them and not us the customers, and on some levels I concede there’s some truth to that,
But at the same point what I am saying is that everything that’s going on can still be a wake-up call for the rest of us, the thing that’s frustrated me most about 2021, is that everywhere I look all too often people are focused on the negative aspects of social media and whatnot, getting to the point where quite a few people were telling me to get off it, but I shouldn’t have to do that, just because some people are jerks,
The purpose of the reforms in game aren’t to tell women what they can and can’t wear, to me it’s about sending a clear message that we all need to work together to make people feel less objectified and more like people,
See the same people that would be telling me to get off the internet because of bad nasty people, are the same people also screaming out the word "censorship!!’ when to me the purpose of this ‘censorship’ yes on one level you could say its the company cleaning up some of their act but for me it’s a good opportunity for us all to pause and think about how we treat others, and how what we say and do truly makes other people feel,
2021 has been the year for bashing social media, not just on wow, but other platforms like Facebook have had issues this year too, and I would sooner people be on board and support positive reforms, then have platforms shutdown altogether,
Well obviously I don’t think every woman thinks the same, but a lot of women did send a clear message, to hear them roar, that they simply want to be treated more fairly and more like equals, and as women are now equal to men in gaming, they deserve equal treatment and representation, but to me this goes much deeper then supporting one particular gender/gender identity, as I said before to me this patch is about social evolution, twenty years ago there were acceptable things you could say, that at the heart of it are no longer appropriate to say these days, in the west there are things that were considered normal when I was growing up, that would be considered racist or even borderline sexual harassment today, though the reality is that things like sexual harassment/violence etc, well 99% of the time, all of that sort of thing begins with disrespect,
I would sooner they do things this way, and embrace the positive side of social evolution, then continue to have a situation where outdated flirts and whatnot remain in game, I mean think of it this way, would you really want random men saying such things to your daughters and granddaughters, or would you want them to feel safe, obviously it’s not a one sided thing, all genders/sexual identities and whatnot need respect of course,
Anyway I think I’ve said everything I’ve had to say. Take it easy everyone.
Who are these women? Do they exist in binders? And are they turning them into bowls of fruit?
Being treated fairly and equal has never had anything to do with fart emotes. And if they wanted to treat genders equal, they could replace some of the paintings with men who are sexy. Because I hate to break it to you, but there are still paintings in the game that show women being sexy.
It’s not about social evolution. This was about doing bare minimum for workers so they don’t strike. Blizz is heavy into impeding strikes and unions.
If my daughter or grand-daughter were playing this, they’d have to be of the age requirement of the game, first. And probably wouldn’t be into this game, second. Because kids are not into WoW. They are into League, Valorant, Fortnite, etc. Most of this game’s target audience are middle aged.
But I don’t need to think of a daughter or grand-daughter to know what’s ok. And some of the things removed or changed had nothing to do with harassment or assault.
And just like I don’t speak for all women, you don’t either. This wasn’t based on a majority vote in fandom, but in Blizzard.
I think it’s a good thing…if it is accompanied by an additional “You no longer have to pay a subscription to play this game” part. If as you say people are supposed to be listening to other people and this should promote appreciation and respect for other people, women even; the devs should have no problem at all understanding that they could respect us and our own time and money and grievances by not asking us to continue to pay for a product they know is a work in progress.
We’re in the hashtag metoo era. I don’t trust many women at work either. It’s pretty messed up that it would just take somebody on Twitter to say saninicus did (x) to me and I have absolutely no defense. And even if I’m proven innocent and she’s caught in a lie my reputation still ruined. Look no further than Chris Hardwick or Johnny Depp.
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Trust no one.
My opinion on 9.1.5’s content? Its that they are digging up as many things as possible that they can do to satisfy players without actually creating any new content. It’s the Mackers version of a patch: tasty but missing much in the way of nutrition.
If they’d wanted to really impress they would have done things like this:
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Put the PvP Island Expeditions onto the battleground queue and increase the number of players to 5. We’d have a whole raft of new play locations for very little work.
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Create a 2 boss raid like Crucible of Storms. They could probably have done with most of the tinkering done with stuff on 9.1.5 to date.
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Go back through all the expansions and make the daily/weekly/world quests in all the expansions reward currently useful stuff. OK, that would take a bit more work but it could be done an expansion at a time. For example, the repeatable content in WotLK: reactivate the PvP questing, upgrade the Kal’uak Mastercraft Fishing Pole, add some extra rewards to the repeatable quests for the Kalu’ak, etc. There is so much content out there in the old zones that could be relevant. If they can fiddle with quests that nobody asked to have removed, they can certainly fiddle with ones from the past to make them fun now.
And thats just off the top of my small pink head…
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So the players get punished bc middle aged perverts couldn’t keep there hands to them selves and treat them professionally in the work place?? Again I will remind you that woman can be and are just as toxic and perverted as men.
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That sounds like a good idea.
Part of my end game since I can’t get into mythics or raids higher than lfr is to go back to older content and expansions and do stuff there(currently working on molten front achievement and getting my Dino mount from ungoro)
It would be nice to see old content reward current stuff, gear, other nice rewards, besides just rep. I like the rep but I would like more from the content too.
If anything it would definitely help to liven up zones that while not entirely bad that its got maybe 5 to 10 people, could use more to add to the atmosphere.
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Majority of sex offenders are male, maybe instead of pointing fingers you should start to own it and strive to be better?
How about you grow some skin and if you don’t like something then don’t look at it, instead of forcing it to be changed so that everyone else can’t see it as well.
Don’t go lumping me in with any guilty conscience you have. I haven’t done anything I need to work on to change in this regard. If you or someone else has and this helps then great but don’t go flinging around this all of us nonscence.
That’s a complete lie.
The reason you believe the majority are men is because men never report things like that happening to them.
All you’re going by is a misconstrued statistic that not only is biased but doesn’t even state whether or not all the accusations were true or false.
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OP change title to “Why we should learn but won’t” lol jk.
Okay, first thing I would like to say is that there are people of different sexual identities and genders and whatnot,
But as a general rule my opinion is that yes women can be mean and nasty, but when go bad, their evil is a lot more subtle, the things evil women do wrong is things like…tell lies, steal stuff, that kind of thing, not saying that women never ever get violent, they can, but there are chemicals like estrogen/testosterone, so my view is we are equal and should be treated the same, just different.
I am more hopeful tbh, I mean this whole situation of people being toxic and nasty to each other on the internet didn’t just happen, I mean compare being on the internet to being in a class room or at a workplace, you know there is simply some things you can’t say and some things you can say, that’s the reality of the situation, games are for fun, but unfortunately a lot of people on gaming treat other people like crap,
I think the changes do send the right message that we need to lift our game and treat other people better, and think more before we speak and really take on board how we are making another person feel and how low we make them feel when we objectify someone, this is not a one sided thing, women can be shallow too (in different ways to men though I guess), but if this teaches all of us to think twice and be more considerate about how we are making the person on the other side of the screen feel, that’s a good outcome.
I’m not getting into that nonsense with you about all those made up genders. So kindly keep that to yourself cause I’m not buying it.
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Well to me I don’t think that much about it either, I only stated it because it’s important we acknowledge there are people who are different, because I tend to see sex/gender in a binary way myself, so I make an extra conscious effort to remain inclusive is all, because I know I have to make sure I am not excluding anyone if that makes sense,
Anyway that’s completely off the original topic.
To me I think moving toward a more inclusive game, where peoples feelings are respected more, and degenerate player is discouraged is a good thing for the game, there’s still too many rude people on WoW that have to step back and have a serious think about how what they say affects others, and if some of the changes they are making help us towards that goal, that’s a good thing, that was my argument.
Honestly if we want any of that, gameplay design is still the way to go. As you’ve seen in this very thread this sort of indirect psa style preaching doesn’t really influence or engender much good will or good social interaction. The best way to do that is set up environments conducive to good social interaction.
If you want an explanation of why this happened and worked in past wow vs in current wow: in past wow the rewards you got were commensurate to the journey and effort put in. Quite often you needed others help to achieve said journeys but the rewards and for that matter the journey itself, were tangible things that you felt a part of and felt almost personalized. None of these journeys were particularly difficult by today’s standards but they were defined by the reward at the end and the accomplishment of getting it. Comparitively, by today’s standards these rewards have not evolved. They’ve instead moved over to such things as the cash shop. Such rewards still can be earned by doing in game things (like if you farmed gold for months you could buy tokens and buy these mounts). However, these in game things no longer correspond with activities that used to be the journey to get such rewards. This has left a vacuum that’s been filled by this incessant need to be worth something as defined by how one is doing compared to others be it through raid progression, through dungeon scores, or through arena rating. This actively encourages people to flaunt this and lord it over people as its the only thing they have that they can show. No mount, no shiny special gear (in it’s lieu we have people defining themselves by what this gear lets them do on 3rd party logs and meters), just all these different metrics that show one is better. I’m not saying that such elitist comparisons didn’t exist before because they did; what I am saying is that in the past the sheer volume of possible achievements and rewards muted this and served as a buffer that separated it all. The elitists truly felt like a distant 1% rather than the actual crowd and no one felt any pressure at all to emulate them because there were a near infinite amount of other things they could do through which they could define self worth.
If you truly want for people to be more appreciative of each other and want less of the so called degenerate human of a player…we need a path back towards that. You’d be surprised but the number of people that actually are socially decent and actually would behave in accordance with the standard social norms of respect and tolerance far exceeds the toxic crowd. You just really can’t tell right now because of how tired and skeptical people have become looking for ways in which to enjoy things in the game.
Personally, a lot of the game is actually still fun if you consider it in and by itself. Is there a dearth of self defining content (by self defining I mean defining of the characters we choose to make)? Absolutely. But when you leave that aspect of it out the game is still relatively fun. The problem is that self defining content is pretty much bread and butter fare for an mmo and it really isn’t something you can’t consider. Which is why everything seems as bland as it is. As it stands, WoW is basically a queue based instance filled theme park with the actual overworld just being where people wait to queue which is a shame because it still is a beautiful world of warcraft. This is what needs to change; more than any change that happens to ingame text or jokes or speech. This is what fuels a shift towards the inclusive game you and me and all of us want. This is not what 9.1.5 is giving us. Nor 9.2 in all likelihood.
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Surprisingly, I actually understood all of that…and was very insightful, so thanks.
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Funny, because gender itself is a social construct, basically a made-up stuff just like what you said, which is why we need to tear it down.