Why we should learn from the 9.1.5 patch

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I know that people are frustrated that there is a slight delay in waiting for 9.2, but to me patch 9.1.5 is a very important patch in gaming history,

Please note, this is not a troll thread, this is all purely my opinions on what’s going on, but it’s very clear to me that a lot of women in gaming have sent a clear message, and that message is to hear us roar, now to avoid causing offence and making people try to bury this thread, I do acknowledge that not all women think the same, and there are quite a lot of women with different views,

But as a general rule I do believe that this whole fiasco started because one too many women felt that they weren’t being treated fairly with dignity and respect,

Here is the honest truth, there are lots of people in my life, especially religious people and whatnot whose answer to everything seems to be ‘get off social media’, my position is that it shouldn’t be this way, everyone should have the right to feel safe both online and offline,

I mean let’s be honest, anyone with a brain knows that some of the in-game flirts full of innuendo were written by men, so I don’t see it bad that they are being removed, I see all this as part of social evolution, I mean there were things 100 years ago that weren’t considered racist at the time, so I think a generation from now, that things that were considered acceptable now, future generations will be asking ‘did they really do that back then’,

To me what’s happening now might work in everyone’s favor, because I can’t tell you how many other places I go on the internet where people really make you feel objectified, asking for photos in the first few minutes of talking and whatnot, while I am of the position that yeah people should be able to dress how they want, but at the same point, I do regret to say…there are a large number of people online that are incredibly shallow, and in my opinion, this needs to change, more people need to be much less shallow, and start thinking more about who people are inside, I’m sick of running into shallow people on the internet all the time,

So I think what happened at with the recent scandals was unfortunate, but I think our culture will learn and grow from this, there will come a time when people realize that we need to treat people online better, I am not saying you have to agree with everything I am saying, but just consider this different point of view, that if what has happened, once this whole lawsuit fiasco is behind us, good things will come out of it, this isn’t about telling women what they should and should not wear, it’s about encouraging respect, and thinking about how the feelings of the people on the other side of the computer screen,

Anyway thank you for your time, again I am not saying people should agree with what I’m saying, it’s just something to think about and take on board.

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That isn’t my issue with 9.1.5 at all. All the painting and flirt lines etc they want to chance should be a hot fix not a patch.

Then the content of the patch boils down into 3 other sections.

  1. Stuff they are partially winding back that we told them not to change in the first place. Aka aoe cap.
  2. Removing things we told them not to do in the first place. Aka covenant swapping
  3. Timewalking. Which will be availible for 3 weeks a year.

That is my issue with the patch and why I think it is lazy.

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This patch isn’t about content, it’s about teaching people on wow to finally learn how to respect each other, it’s about cultural change to me, and that’s really important right now, as it’s certainly needed.

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This is all good and fine but a) I don’t look to entertainment for an example of how humans should respectfully interact with one another and b) I’m not paying a subscription to WoW to be taught racial/cultural/gender etiquette.

I just want a patch to advance the gameplay, storyline and entertainment value.

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This doesn’t make it any better.

Gets killed by an undead rogue who proceeds to respectfully t-bag my lifeless body constantly since they can no longer spit.

Is the change actual change though?

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I will say this: Kudos to OP for making such a detailed and well thought out post that is very difficult to offer an opposing view to without being accused of being a certain “ism” or “est.” The line to avoid crossing is almost at the tip of our toes.

Regardless, many people are upset with all the changes that are being chipped away at the game bit by bit even though others cheer in the streets. As far as 9.1.5. goes, it isn’t generating much excitement; some even say the content should all have been included in 9.1. Between these two things, if Blizzard uses 9.1.5 as a “Go for Woke” update new content may not even matter as Blizzard continues to make a safe space out of an MMO.

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Patch fails, miserably might I add, to do this in any capacity.

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This sort of thing has been happening in workplaces for years now. It’s coming late to gaming but it should be no surprise that it’s happening. I do think many of the changes/removals are kind of silly, but I suspect that the extent of these edits is driven by a backlash from years of abusive behaviour behind the scenes. I also suspect that senior management is allowing it in hopes that it lets off some of the pressure that’s driving demands for a better working environment.

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feels more like, “AHA we got you now! we get free reign and you cant do anything about it!”
taking advantage of an opportune situation piggybacked on the damage caused by the inappropriate actions of some higher-ups

it’s not exactly like they can do the same way kickstarter did and just lay the troublemakers off then hire some fresh talent. would look way too bad considering the current situation still not being fully resolved

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The real problem isn’t really the changes made by the devs. The real problem is that it’s not a change, but a straight cut of content in most cases. Worse, those changes aren’t drive by a community demand, it’s driven by the devs wills. The sad conclusion of this will only be an sterilized content. What’s the next step, taking the accents out of the game because they can be considered cultural offenses?

I’m all against any form of censorship. If someone want to say something, he has the right to, it’s the essence of the free speech concept, even if it can hurt someone else. In the end, if you don’t want to see those kind of innuendo, just don’t work for a company that kind of humor, or don’t play their game. Actually, it’s exactly like an artist manager that would have censored the stand up comic he’s supposed to advertise because he offended a minority. That’s sad madness.

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:wink:

In all honesty, someone doesnt have to be religious to see that abstaining from much of what social media does to people would be for the betterment of humanity as a whole. More specifically, it’s not the aspect of social media being a platform for anything, it’s the way it is utilized via various algorithms.

Much like wow, there is a /played metric taken into consideration for increasing engagement with these systems. Things you like, have an increased engagement time compared to things you have no sought-out interest in, and over time is puzzled into what specific type of content you’ll be bombarded with.

Often it is to the point that people end up in a constant feedback loop of only things they care about. A small comment from one person with an extremist bit in it, but it was engaged with so it goes in the list of things you like.

Overtime this slowly builds and eventually is distilled down into just the worst of the worst sort media you can put into your head and you end up with these self-radicalized groups who cant see that they’ve been living in a bubble of self-reinforcement for so long that anything not able to fit within said bubble is taken to be extreme and in need of correction.

ive heard some pretty dirty jokes told by females as well, it’s not a male-exclusive thing. anyone ever heard of Betty White?

i dont think it’s a matter of them not considering such things to be racist, more that racism was acceptable behavior for the time

things like, “did they really expect companies not to fire them for being activists on company time or walking out on their jobs back then?”
(edit: i was referring to the whole ‘walktober’ junk, not the ABK thing)

welcome to the internet where people act certain ways because of anonymity. forcing a different code of morality on them isnt going to fix that one. also, you’re not exactly without some means of not engaging with/ignoring/avoiding/blocking/etc those certain individuals. a few bad apples doesnt mean the whole world is that way, nor should the rest be punished because of some nonsense from the few.

no argument there. reprehensible behavior, period.

i try to, even without the condition of you doing the same. though i’d like to hope you can also adhere the same statement

i dont think it is either. i think at it’s core it’s supposed to be the opposite of that, but the methods of action are actually working against the original intended goals. regardless such things are subjective and it’s nobodys place to tell someone else how they should or shouldnt feel about things

respect is earned, not given on demand else it’s submission rather than respect

i actually feel bad when i see people bashing entire chunks of the game. i’ll think of how many people were involved in the various assets, models, textures, etc and how there’s probably someone that this was their first go at making a small piece of a whole and how exciting it must be. only for poor implementation of it to cause so many to just rail on how s— ‘all’ of it is.

ditto

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The game inherently causes division. Hell, the alliance vs Horde and the tribalism baked into WoW is what helps cause the toxicity. Then you have things like raider io that creates even more divisiveness. If WoW wants to change to be a better game, it needs massive redesigns that the devs probably don’t wanna spend time doing, but instead change things and implement things that don’t really make the game better or changes the community.

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This made me laugh. All of this removal is just virtue signaling, trying, desperately, to get their behinds out of this lawsuit. They have not learned anything. And neither will WoW players. Or the internet in general.

Trade will still be just as vile. I can still say any horrible thing I want in whisper. Wow players are not going to learn to respect each other cause a fart joke is gone. I just won’t be able to /shake at somebody anymore. They can still say whatever racist/sexist thing they want.

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You mean…" Yeah yeah, go back to your cubicle and look for more things that trigger you to change"

If anything this current rash of signaling just makes me LESS sympathetic.

Basically you had Real World HR issues that STILL need to be resolved…and so instead of pushing that…you F’ed with the game. Basically that looks like keying your exes car.

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Blizzard can’t make me respect people. Lol What are you on about? This is a classic case of bullied kids having their parents fight their battles for them. You’ll get to live in your bubble and learn nothing, and people will still treat you poorly within ToS, and Via third party avenues.

Sounds like you’d be happy living in a wax museum.

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That sounds like a YOU problem not them.

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i don’t think betty white wrote any of the jokes for wow.

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It’s 2021 nobody knows betty white as an actress anymore its what you say after school shootings.

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