I am not sure that I agree with your premise.
Personally, I am having a blast with TBC and plan to play through the entire expansion. Maybe I am happy with the game because I have no desire to take part in any form of PvP. Most of the people complaining mention PvP.
Classic gave everyone a fresh start to be on equal footing and build a community with new players
TBC doesnt offer any of that. Also, its just more of classic but content is frontloaded at lvl70. Anyone who quit or burnt out from classic isnt coming back or sticking around in TBC.
Once you finish your rep, attunement, your character can just raidlog for the rest of the expansion.
2/10 for quality of troll.
9/10 for getting the sheer number of responses, even though the attempt was lame. Hell, the OP never replied from that toon!
5.5/10 overall.
There is no 1 answer, it’s a combination of things. However, I think one of the biggest contributing factors is people rush everything. So the minute TBC came out everyone cracked out on it and got to 70 fast as they could, then got their pre-raid bis fast as they could and then quickly burnt out or raid logging now.
Second reason, There’s not a lot of content in phase 1. You could basically do all the raids in 1 night and then what? everythings figured out, so people know what every piece of gear drops from what dungeons and what gears worth getting based off 300 spreadsheets. They have outwitted themselves into having no reason to play.
Most of it boils down to this, its not 2007… Gamers are different and their attention spans are much less than they were.
Some of us are still playing and enjoying the game though.
If we’re talking about success then sure classic had the start that was solid, but it wasn’t a more successful one than TBCC is so far. Classics drop off was so massive, the longevity of leveling to 60 killed off most people then toppled with the world buff meta that really came out in bwl.
If you think classic was or is more successful than tbcc then you literally live in a box.
Vanilla will forever be the best iteration of the game, for a large multitude of reasons but the main one being that the game encompasses 60 levels, more zones than any other iteration of the game, more crafting materials, more quests, more everything… because it is 60 levels worth of content as opposed to 10 or 5.
At 60 there is still value in linen, wool, silk, mage weave, fel cloth, rune cloth, mooncloth… In tbc you have nether weave, and then the 3 specializations. TBC is 1/20th the size of classic in terms of land mass (random guess).
Sure the PvP system is dog**** and the raids are boring (because people run around stacking buffs that essentially turn your character into a level 70 at level 60 and then complain that the content is too easy… and they are already pretty easy). But overall, it’s just the best iteration of the game because it’s THE game… the expansions are just that… expansions.
If blizzard ever does decide to do anything even remotely like classic + I hope they do it with vanilla, it has the most potential in terms of additions with hyjal, grim Batol, karazhan, and pieces of the map that were not utilized until years later.
If TBCC had had at least a fresh option it would be doing much better. New players would have been able to experience the journey. People who wanted to start over could do so without playing on already established (and largely ruined) servers.
I think that was one of the keys for WoW’s initial success. Those first few years they frequently added new servers. So as millions joined they could experience WoW as if it was a brand new game with those fresh servers. I know that’s what hooked me in. If I had to start on a server that had been around for years I would have missed out on the joy of the journey, meeting people, making friends, learning and appreciating the game.
But instead with TBCC they offered none of that. Just ‘pay is to skip 58 levels’. Right then and there I knew it was in trouble. And it ended up worse than even I thought it would.
Yeah, but you’re comparing the base game to an expansion. I think that’s a little bit unfair. While I’d agree that the leveling in vanilla is more diverse with more options, I think the gameplay is better in TBC. You raise some excellent points though. We’re not really far apart.
i find tbc very boring, the only thing there is to do is gold farm and i simply cant bring myself to log in for it
Oh I love tbc, I’ve played through tbc, vanilla and wrath so many times I’ve forgotten the names of characters that are maxed… tbc without a question has faster gameplay and better class design… unfortunately it still suffers from the same issues vanilla does in the sense that unless everything is perfectly equal (which is impossible), the community will destroy the intended gameplay by stacking “the best” classes.
People want to blame Blizzard for everything, but the community is what has really hurt this game over the years. Whether it’s faction balance, group comp, or chasing a meta that only applies to a select few people, it starts and ends with community perception.
World buffs weren’t really a thing in vanilla when I played. They’re some private server monstrosity moved onto classic.
Thats why they offered the boost, the MTX will offset the lost of players. Bots are buying them too, which Im sure Blizzard is absolutely loving.
Because people believed Blizz when they said “with no changes” and then TBCR (The Burning Crusaders Retail) happened.
We are not playing TBC we are playing TBCR.
I don’t think they ever got on board the #nochanges philosophy. That’s something that the players wanted and that went out the window on day one with the layering. No changes works if the game grew like it did back then. I’m not sure that a fraction of the player base can sustain a no changes version of the game.
Very true. Wow isn’t getting new players and is hemorrhaging its current players to other MMOs.
I dablenin ESO and have seen huge numbers of new players.
I just got started in FF and there are so many wow refugees it’s not funny. These people are not there for game play but for community. I just hope the toxic players stay away from it.
Fortunately, you can be banned for being toxic in FF14 lol. It’s a solid game if you can get through the base game. ARR is a bit of a slog imo.
Yep leveling up as we speak. The game is loads of fun. Good to know they regulate the toxicity but I’m more talking about the min max that brought a lot of toxic people to the game.
As much as I loved WOTLK, I will not play because I refuse to see it get butchered with changes introduced in Cata, MoP & retail.
In all honesty, TBCC just doesnt feel good and that ill feeling started when they added the boost.
Citation needed.