Why Vulpera popular but Worgen aren't?

Vulpera are too popular.
The horde is mostly belves and furries now.

Sometimes I think about how nice it would have been to see the horde when it was the original 4.

Tails, that is all

I play Worgen and They are seen everywhere within Stormwind.

Cute, fuzzy animals are the de-facto state religion of the internet - Vulpera come with weaponized appeal.

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Easy. They’re forced into having a hunch, they’re forced to be tail-less, and they’re forced to have a ‘growl’ to their voice unless they shapechange but THAT racial is the golden standard of a joke racial. The Worgen try way too hard to be too edgy and fail on all fronts.

How to fix it? Pretty simple path actually that won’t be followed because gods forbid a customization option get added to something that doesn’t have sharp ears.

  • Allow posture and tail options. Really don’t need to elaborate further here; people look at a canine figure and expect a tail. Hunches also don’t do the race’s popularity any favors. Even the Draenei, with their similar leg structure, figured out how a spine’s supposed to work. Ideally the Tauren would get the spinal fix treatment as well so helmets actually serve a purpose on them, but that’s for another thread to discuss.
  • Commit to the Worgen side of life. I think Blizzard actually tried to sell the Worgen as being one of the most ‘customization-heavy’ races in the game because they had both Worgen and Human customization options, but there are several issues with this; the Worgen customization options paled in comparison to the Human options, but those Human options are bound to the Worgen side as well, so you must have the fur color as a Worgen associated with the skin color of your Human form. Which is dumb. Two Forms has been a detriment to the race since its inception.
    Firstly, the two forms need to be decoupled so options in one don’t affect the other. Secondly, the Worgen need a vast array of larger options than they currently have. Thirdly, Worgen options and attitudes shouldn’t all be savage; they are still aristocratic Humans too, they should have Human hairstyles and other Human accessories. Ear options should also reflect the structure and position of actual wolf ears. Fourth, the Worgen need to be able to toggle between the growly-voice and their ‘human’ voice in either form; we see Genn, Fiona, and other notable Worgen speak without the gravel, and we palyers want that treatment too.
  • Embrace that Worgen are still from Human culture, especially Human aristocracy. Ironically, by plunging the Worgen fantasy into the bog-standard ‘grr werewolf savage beast’ trope they actually made them incredibly boring. See a Worgen, get a barely unhinged individual, got it. Yawn-tastic. When I first saw Worgen, I saw a hugely promising premise; Victorian Aristocrat Werewolves. Where the hell is the first two parts of that? Instead, Blizzard needs to lean into the aristocratic side of it, the eccentric side of it, instead of trying to out-rage everyone else. No Worgen is ever going to beat an Orc when it comes to rage, after all, and no one wants to be second place.

As far as why the Vulpera are more popular? That’s easy; the Vulpera look ‘acceptable’ to fans of the base species (foxes), the Vulpera are actually approachable personality-wise, and their theming is fun. I don’t play one because I don’t like their proportions, but with a bit of tweaking they’d easily shoot up to the top of my favorite races.

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Female worgen run cycle is atrocious. Vulpera is the cutest thing in this game.

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got DAMN I didn’t expect to see such a long comment but you right. I never even thought about Worgen not having tails but that would be dope.

Personally I don’t mind their hunch. I actually kinda prefer it over the stiff backs of Tauren.

On the Orc rage part I agree again. I wouldn’t mind if Worgen were a match 1-for-1 with Orcs in that regard, but that’s definitely asking a lot and you could just give the Worgen a stronger pack mentality to make up for any lack of strength.

Thanks for thinking all this through for us gamer, brought up some stuff I’ve never considered!

If I’m gonna play a glorified werewolf, and honestly I’d want to, I’d want to be much thicker and beefier. Sabrewulf from the 1st Killer Instinct game is basically a starting point…not some glorified mangy rabid mutt.

Honestly I think Worgen would be a lot cooler and better as a race with customization options Dracs got. If anything, Worgen are a victim of being just too early and having to pave the way instead of having it paved for them.

I’d also like an option for my melee attacks to be from just my claws and jaws and not from weapons or weapon attacks.

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Vulpera are cute.
Vulpera are friendly yet fierce.
Foxes are my favourite animal.

Werewolves are lame.
Worgen look awful.
Theyre just grumpy.

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My issue with the Worgen is that they were advertised as bringing a darker, more savage side to the Alliance back during Cataclysm’s beta. But by the time the expansion released and over the subsequent years, their savagery has pretty much been non-existent and instead the story is all about suppressing or taming the savage beast within them rather than embracing it.

They also have the same problem I have with Tauren - 90% of the headgear in the game looks awful on them. And don’t get me started on their Heritage Armor. That gaudy look is something I’d expect for Goblins, not a werewolf.

They actually decoupled the Worgen fur color from the Human skin tone in Shadowlands. You can customize the Worgen and Human forms separately.

I totally agree on Two Forms, though. In my opinion, it defeats the purpose of playing a werewolf to begin with. Why would I choose to play a big, scary werewolf to only then run around as a boring human? I have the same opinion on the Drac’thyr Visage Form.

But to each their own, I guess. If some people want to pick the monster race and then pretend to be a normal human, they can go do that. For myself, I just won’t even put the Two/Visage Form on my action bars and never touch it.

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For all the hate that vulpera get, we have one of the best NPCs in Nisha for the horde. Here’s some quest text from wowhead… nisha for war chief, let’s get some spine back in Org.

The sethrak’s attacks on our burrows cannot go unanswered. They need to learn that not all within the desert will give up so easily. The only thing the sethrak understand is blood, so that’s the language we’ll use to teach them. <Nishapauses and looks at you, skeptical that you understood her.> I’m saying we need to kill the sethrak here. All of them.

Their blood flows down the dunes back to their fortress. The sethrak will think twice before attacking our burrows again.

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Um exsqueeze me, my worgen priest is cute af.

And while we’re at it:

The Vulpera camp racial makes them the most convenient alt race if you’re wanting to quest and/or slowly finish off Loremaster in your down time. Additionally, their camp synergizes so well with the Heirloom overhaul regarding rested XP.

And this is on top of everything else people have mentioned here.

I had zero feelings about the Vulpera…until I played one. Now, I like them a lot.

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They’re ugly. #thread

tails… it all comes down to getting some tail.

I stopped playing Worgen when they revamped the running animations that they both look goofy to me like they’re running too fast for the speed they’re actually moving.

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Well the Vulpera started out cute and well animated

Worgens first appearance was… not so good. The females were nightmare fuel until they got new models. Their cast animations were awful for both male and female, and even after the new models they still look clunky and weird.

The males hunch over while females don’t. No reason one should hunch and the other shouldn’t… and the males are barely taller than a human despite being a “werewolf”

The new run animation for males is bad as well, the heritage armor is god awful, and both models have this weird bug where their fingers “click” open if you’re camera is too far away from them. You can even see this bug on NPCs. Just zoom your camera in and out and watch their hands, it’s weird and incredibly annoying if you play one

Overall Worgen didn’t start off great and blizzard hasn’t done much to fix it outside of the new models which are still kind of goofy and have their own flaws.

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I know I and at least a few other people were hoping the worgen would be something akin to what you’d see in old Shadowfang Keep. Wild and feral and actually beast-like. Now I know that’s kind of counterintuitive to them being civilized blah blah, but they didn’t really deliver on the worgen aesthetic.

Omg the flippies. :dracthyr_blob_dance_animated:

Sleepies also really cute.

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I like seeing how many flips in a row I can get on my vulpera. I think I got up to like 8 before?