Why the level 58 boost is bad for the game #stoptheboost

WoW Classic Cataclysm Classic Discussion
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“Just make a new account and subscribe for an additional $15 a month, duh.”

You’re acting as if people have all this money they’re willing to throw around and will spend it just to boost a new character. I’m not going to say that’s projection, because I don’t know if you yourself own multiple accounts and will likely use the boosts on them, yourself; the fact of the matter is that this is a non-issue.

If people don’t use the Level-58 Boost they’re going to find some way to circumvent the leveling process anyway, because the leveling process in Classic is incredibly tedious if you’re focused on hitting 60 so you can play the game with everyone else.

Making strawmen arguments because you feel like people will abuse the boosts is not indicative of the actual reality of the situation. The boosts are necessary because TBC Classic is developed for the purpose of allowing people to experience TBC, not to give them an entirely brand new game to play alongside retail.

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It’s not though, the boost will be great for the game. See how my OPINION is different than yours. Both are opinions. Can’t wait to get my boost on a toon I didn’t want to lvl and see the “no boost” player’s anger that I start at 58, this makes me smile everyday thinking of it.

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tldr, they dont care, its comming, im sorry i dont like this either really but yea yer voice is falling on deaf ears mate.

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same thing at different extremities. The boost is p2w as well on a much smaller scale but it was to counter the previous reply.

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Can you explain how it is p2w?

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Everybody knows 58 in dungeons blues is the definition of “winning” in WoW

Keep up man /s

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You are right, how did I miss that…

Also that EU post is just a collection of all the bad points everyone that is against boost is saying.

Why does this keep being said as a counter against boosting? The issue is bots not boosting then.

More so then the time it takes to get to 58? I think not.

Yes boosting is faster then leveling, so he kinda just countered his own point on the game being less accessible. Not sure why I keep seeing people saying that you have to boost to be competitive. You do not, that is just a wrong statement.

It doesn’t take away anything I have done in Classic. What is he talking about? It could set a terrible precedent, but that is something only time is going to tell.

Everyone knows this already, is there really a point is bringing it up over and over again?

Not even sure what point he is trying to make here.

Because everyone we play with at 60 now are great players that make zero mistakes? Also people that say this are really just reflecting what kind of skill they have in WoW. WoW is not a hard game. There is really no way of saying this without sounding super elitist but here we go. You can give me any class and any spec and within 2 hours of playing it I will know how to play that class just fine and I know there are a lot of other people that can do the same.

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There’s an entire spellbook of abilities, and a world of difference between a player with 5 days /played from 1-58, and a fresh clueless 58. Claiming otherwise is intellectually dishonest.

Bad/Clueless players negatively impact everyone. You’re only as strong as your weakest link.

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How many of those abilities are actually used in the meta?

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I was about to agree with everything the OP said. But then I saw the defense of mage/aoe boosting and the OP completely lost me. If you’re going to get rid of boosting get rid of ALL boosting, otherwise cheaters and try-hards will ruin the game. If you defend player provided boosts then I see no reason not to allow Blizzard provided boosts.

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How many metas are there?

An experienced player can adapt to many situations, including when a raid boss fight doesn’t go perfectly or something unexpected happens where they can really shine and save the day, but also the majority of the game world which isn’t inside of a raid.

A fresh resto druid doesn’t realize they could have avoided death or rescued a party member by transforming into a bear and taunting.

You either know your class because you have days experience playing it, or you don’t because you boosted. The difference always shows.

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No to all of your points. If you dont like it. Don’t use it.

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Leveling my priest I’ve had to use 5 buttons, 9 counting my buffs and heals. Leveling as a learning tool is oversold. There are times where you don’t know what you don’t know and that’s okay. You have options to avoid the people learning should you so choose to.

A fresh resto druid is a fresh resto druid regardless of how they got there. At one point back in the long long ago I had never played resto because I spent my time leveling as feral. Mistakes were made, deaths were aplenty. I learned what I was doing right and what I was doing wrong, life goes on.

When I was playing left 4 dead I had a guy get mad because I was trying to shoot a smoker tongue that had trapped him and he got incapped. He told me that I could melee them, I learned and we moved on. Simple.

The best players are forged in the fires of bad groups. Waaaaaaay moreso than spending 5 days wanding murlocs to death.

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It’s p2w on a spectrum. There’s a range of levels of how p2w something is. If you boost to 58, you don’t instantly win wow but you gain advantages. That’s what p2w is. It isn’t you beat the whole game, it’s paying for an advantage. A player who doesn’t buy the boost is at a disadvantage from the player who does.

and you keep up the childish, surface-level and facetious comments :slight_smile:

saying they’re bad =/= they are bad. Gotta try a bit harder than that pal

Bots will always exist, you can’t make it easier for them unecessarily.

It isn’t about more so or less so it’s about some so. Due to the fact some players will be alienated and others will be welcomed, it negates this positive of the boost because you’re losing and gaining players. That isn’t good and for that reason does not justify the boost.

I’m talking about for already playing serious high end players. Boosting doesn’t make the game more accessible because it has a cost. Maybe you could make this argument if it was free.

Not to be competitive but to be more competitive. And wanting to be more competitive then you already are is natural for competitive personalities. Good games are designed around human psychology.

That’s you, but what about me or anyone else that agrees with me. We put the time in too

I made the post only once. I only repeat when people pretend like I didn’t say it.

Then figure it out, go back, read it and think before you type.

not saying that, I’m saying that you will inflate the rate in which those kind of players are at 58 - 70 and it makes it more frustrating for people like me because we don’t mind helping people who levelled legitimately but I don’t feel any sympathy for someone who’s hindering my dungeon run because they are bad because they boosted which if it didn’t exist, they wouldn’t be here to hinder me.

that’s you. A good game shouldn’t assume that the player knows how to play. That’s what levelling was for. To teach people the basics over a long process.

then you didn’t read it properly because I quite clearly stated that dungeon boosts do not make for a good experience / not good for the community etc… but that they are not the same as boosts and that boosts are in fact worse. If I were blizzard, I would nerf dungeon boosts too :slight_smile:

big brain. We have a genius

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First off you didn’t make the original post, you just copy and pasted from a post on the EU forums. Stop saying “I’m talking about” “I made the post” or “I quite clearly stated” you didn’t. None of these thoughts are yours.

You, the original poster and everyone else that is making post after post about why they think boosting should be removed are just repeating the same thing over and over again. And everything you guys are saying is being blown out of proportion and nothing negative that is going to come from boosting is going to out way the positives that comes with having it.

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the option is there for everyone though.

the same argument could be made about time.

ie: person A can play 12 hrs a day, person B can play 2 hrs a day.
person A has a time advantage over person B… person B is at a disadvantage.

Should blizzard dictate that no one can play more than 4 hrs a day? no, everyone has the option to play 24 hrs a day if they choose to.

Also, time is money friend (in all things even outside wow)

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Say stupid things and people will call you on it.

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The “it delitimizes” argument makes no sense as the boost only applies to TBC realms.

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You gain no advantages over anyone else.

There are already level 60s on the server.

It isnt like its a FRESH server and you boosted to 58 and beat everyone to 60.

Thats not what p2w is.

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Ok The only point I will actually agree with you on is the bots thing that’s it.

1 The post is no more unfriendly to new players then it is actually leveling through the classic content.

2 No it is not create new Mera I mean say you don’t even have a love another spot to fill there are tons of people that have so many alts they only even have a character slot laughed so if we’re really talking at the hardcore audience they probly don’t care.

3 OK literally nobody Looks at somebody that got to 60 and gasps nobody does that I maybe if you’re brand new to the game and understand a little bit maybe but nobody does that.

It’s just a level cap you have to reach that’s all it is and as far as store mounts here’s my thing I never cared about it speaking from similar to played from Vanilla to bfa I can honestly say I’ve never even seen amount in the store that I have I even wanted.

And as far as people having to go through that this is my take on that it’s one character per account Let alone it’s easier than it was in original vanilla anyway.

Secondly I would be happy for somebody not to have to go through the torturest task that’s known as vanilla leveling because I’ll be honest it sucks Past level 30.

It’s not really badd any and a Jones game of where the holy heck do I even go to level this is fun yay.

So no I don’t agree with that by any stretch

4 Here’s the thing we will never be able to recapture the original feeling back from 2007 150% there’s no way to Because here’s the thing it’s 2021.

And like it or not we are a different player base word entirely different playerbase if #NoChanges Proved anything it’s that so I hate to say it but you’re looking for something that doesn’t exist.

5 OK you cannot judge a player by a boost that’s absolutely wrong you do not know that history of that person for all you know they could have been a hardcore raider back in the day And just had no interest in classic.

But are super hyped for the burning crusade there’s a ton of people like that For all you know they could have been a extremely good player they just had their life take hold.

And it’s not fair or right or healthy for the game as a whole I might add for people to judge people just because they bought a boost.

What alone I’m sorry this is the burning crusade I’m sorry how big are your rotations exactly 1 to 2 Buttons.

Let alone there’s resources everywhere every where to look that up so yeah I’m sorry but that’s just unfair and wrong.

6 I’m sorry but that’s just hypocritical you can’t say something like O it’s completely find that I paid IA made a ton of goals of boost me through dungeons but oh no when blizzard says to buy one that that’s a badd thing.

I’m sorry but that’s just that’s just stupid that that makes no sense that’s just dumb it’s the same thing you know why because chances are at this point I’m not saying this is everyone.

But there’s a good chance that you bought that gold through a 3rd party website so I’m sorry it’s the same thing

The really only given to his this boost at least you didn’t pay for it with gold you buy from a 3rd party site that by the way could get your account banned yeah.

I mean forgiveness sake I see commercials online for it at this point so yeah no not different.

7 As far as fresh realms it’s not gonna happen a time soon and the whole thing is that can happen because if they’re going to make new servers it’s going to be because of server crowding.

That’s why they’re gonna do it me personally if I had a choice Do I love the boost as a whole no.

Mainly because it benefits bots that’s the reason I don’t like it however what I would much rather see them do is this.

Give us BOA gear From wrath and cata this way people still have to play the game it’s just a lot faster on top of that it gives them starter gear and multiple toons not just one.

And they could put in a gold sink to upgrade that BOA gear from 60 to 70 And just make the experience Bob’s on it a lot more powerful like instead of being 20% make each piece 50%.

This way the value is on the account you still have to play through the content even if it is way faster and it’s harder on bots so the account gets banned they’ve lost a lot more.

So that would be my solution