If nightborne can, shen’dralar should be able to do the same.
They don’t need to “revert” to their past highborne style, because they are living within night elf society for decade or less. They probably STILL keep their HB style. What wouldn’t make sense is HB taking kaldorei style when they are living together for such a short time.
Uh, no. The Nightborne represent Highborne culture preserved pristinely for 10,000 years, whereas the Shen’dralar were thoroughly ravaged in the aftermath of the War of the Ancients, forced to live in the ruins of their home to become playthings for demons.
The Shen’dralar weren’t living it up. They were struggling to survive siphoning demonic energy to live. The Shen’dralar would have never been admitted into Night Elf society if they remained the opulent Highborne of the past.
Except not. Them continuing the traditions and dress of the Highborne would perpetuate the dichotomy of the Highborne vs the Lowborn in NE society that the Night Elves thought to dismantle.
I mean, I don’t really get what you’re asking for here.
Jewelry is impactful tho. Filigree just isn’t Nightborne specific? I really don’t understand what you’re implying here.
I don’t really know what you’re referencing here but I do like a post if I end up liking what they said but if they’re responding to me and also others, Im still going to like what they post.
For example, they could say that they want red eyes for VEs, but I don’t really support it even though it could be cool, but in the same post they support Onyx LFD skintones so I’ll like it. So full context of the post would be necessary 
What? Jewelry is impactful?? It always has been. It’s why I request racial themed jewelry plus generalized ones that make sense for all.
I don’t really get where I’m being contradictory because I want filigree jewelry for Night Elves when it doesn’t involve Nightborne at all.
That is their main visual theme that they alone should best represent 
So then you understand why NB players oppose Highborne options.
I actually disagree I just feel its hypocritical to claim its impactful then ask to allow NEs to emulate the HB theme through it and other options, but am more inclined to be defensive of another Horde races visual theme being stolen only to here others who asked to steal return to say they got “nothing” and should get more before NB get anything because… reasons though some of that is just a parallel to BE/VEs isn’t it because it is a parallel.
Filigree isn’t just Nightborne as it’s regularly part of Night Elf jewelry/armor. Filigree would address Shen’dralar + Kaldorei themes pretty easily. It filled both themes for Night Elves.
In no way is filigree just Nightborne. zero
It would be like saying a circlet is just Draenei and no other races can wear one with a jewel in the center.
I’m having a hard time understanding you.
Why are we giving another alliance race a second visual theme when the Horde race that lost uniqueness to give the last Alliance race two visual themes still doesn’t have one, and this also results in adding another Horde race who people are moving to make claims of future additions which will result in NB not being the ones to best represent their main visual theme.
We already have people (I don’t want to claim it was you but I think?) trying to claim future BE options like Farstrider tattoos. That won’t happen with NB though right you’ll just want some of their main theme not all of it?
I just have a hard time understanding why a Horde race is being shafted again which is how this reads to me.
Fen’s thread had so many GOOD suggestions even for the “Helfer” side I frankly envied lots of them (the mockups showing the blonde hair options with magenta roots were amazing. The first time I saw them I coveted them for my Belves, but I told myself I shouldn´t cause it was an idea proposed by a Velf player for other Velf players, so I respected that).
Nowadays I believ I probably should had tried to poach them if only to impulse that fanbase to attach themselves to it, cause me respecting that meant they rather supported the jerk asking for “the same” stuff the Belves had and now they complain over getting hand me downs -the individual used in his Op the literal words “the same as” ffs-.
He means you have agreed with some people that say “jewerly is not unique and Nelves deserve HB themed jewerly” just to make a 180º to tell Belf posters that they got “unique customizations in the form of jewerly and should wait for new stuff later”.
He points to the double standards other posters use in here… and I agree with the assessment that jewerly is NOT an unique form of customization. And after 9.1.5 Velf fiasco, hair colors arent´either; all races should be able to use all kinds of hair colors, period.
i want my pink haired Sunwalker ASAP.
Irony. He´s making an ironic assessment. He means to say jewerly is NOT impactful nor unique and is frustrating for us Belf players when people comes here to try and shut us up using the “BuT yOu GoT jEwErLy!!” card.
I disagree. Jewerely is just an indication on the economical power of the individual using it, no more and no less -at least in regards to WoW races cause the lore frankly doesn´t support any indication of “religious based use”. No religion in WoW is as developed as to put REAL meaning on jewerly.
It came as doubly egregious in the case of Belves when Lor´themar literally addressed a less “opulent” stance to be taken by the Belf race in “Before the Storm” ffs. Why was my race denigrated to be portrayed as Saltheril´s goons while the REAL lore tells me they are actually the opposite nowadays?
And then you average troll Helfer (not meant ALL the Helfers, just the trolls that are part of that fanbase) used to come and tell us the “Barbie with no males” portrayal was “very in line and well done ergo the jewerly was the correct choice to be made”.
Then they wonder why I literally scaredf them off from the Belf thread… I don´t need no misogynistic takes made on bad faith in our racial thread, tyvm.
In regards to that conversation, it wasn’t me necessarily supporting them for VEs. It was me telling you that with the way that Blizzard implemented the AR that anyone that had the tattoos as a BE would have them as a VE. It’s not me supporting it, it’s me laying out the logic due to Blizzard dumb implementation of the race itself.
Giving Night Elves basic filigree is giving you the shaft? Filigree is so commonly used in Night Elf jewelry and armor.
But I haven’t used that card so I’m not sure why he’s directing that in something I haven’t’ stated.
Like I said though, I like posts if there is something that I like what they’re suggesting even if they also state something I don’t support. Of course I’m sure I’m guilty of liking snide comments.
I don’t really agree. I think Blizzard can definitely nail jewelry themed customizations if they put effort into it. Like more horn jewelry is pretty impactful for Draenei or even armored bands for the tendrils/tails.
Yes 100% I am saying I find it hypocritical to one moment claim its impactful for BEs when trying to be smug and have a gotcha while people try to push their way for more VE customizations to silence BE fans who are speaking on their lackluster hand, and then to turn around and say its not impactful enough to not be given from NB to NEs who could easily start to infringe on the NB theme like VEs have with BEs.
The VE model happened. That wasn’t enough, the skin tone compromise happened, that wasn’t enough, hair colors were added despite it being the very tiniest bit of visual distinction left, and BE players still have nothing to show for any of that situation not a second visual theme not impactful options to our main visual theme
All the while we see
Posts like this splattered from the same people who did get a lot
So while I understand you see it as a little thing some see it as ‘some’ infringement in the way I think this statement holds true
How long until NE players want more NB options? Before they justify more and more all while presumably NB like BEs get nothing in return for the loss of visual uniqueness and we’re what? Supposed to see to people on the forums who say they’ve got “nothing”
I’m saying I don’t like the precedent it sets for NB.
I have no idea what that has to do with giving Night Elves filigree jewelry.
I stated it and you quoted the wrong part where I said what it had to do with it, but we can agree to disagree
These conversations are becoming really weird. So if jewelry isn’t impactful then what exactly is your issue with Night Elves getting filigree options? Like I get the whole ‘precedent’ but I don’t when you say jewelry doesn’t have an impact.
It’s not impactful. Thats the point. The rest of the point is its still all BEs have added outside of what every race got, and were already talking about stealing another Horde races visual theme this just happens to entail jewelry and I find it ironic that the importance of jewelry suddenly changes for the same people who try to apply it as meaning so much more to BEs, well then it means a lot to NB too pick a lane.
How exactly is filigree a Nightborne theme over Night Elf? What?
I know, he´s trying to assess which is your actual stance -on a roundabout way I agree, but then again I´m familiar with Lann´s language-.
Well, most people do. I´m one of the rare ones that won´t upvote a post If something I fundamentally disagree with is present.
How does jewerly trasnlate to the cultural background of the Orcs as per the lore? (and by this I ask for the canon lore source that cites “X kind of jewerly is used to honor ancestors / take a beloved pet as a memento / etc”.
Simply put it, this does NOT exist. Remove the phoenix gaudy option and you have a bunch of stuff that literally tells you NOTHING about the Belf race (it doesn´t tells you they were almost genocided, it doesn´t tell you they allied with their former enemies after a catastrophe to survive, it does NOT tell you they see opulence as bad taste stuff after suffering so much post zombie apocalypse).
If you´re a new player and you see the jewerly, I bet you will make the obvious “lul, looks like a Barbie and I guess it needed Barbie jewelry too”. I can´t say enough times how disgusting the datamined body jewerly was from my PoV, it was literally sending the message the Belves were stripper - lite and nothing else, blatant sexualization of a playable race, yuck!!!
A rune tattoo AT LEAST tells me the Belves used someting to facilitate their spell casting while they lacked a Sunwell. A magical effect on feathers at least tell me they either A) grow and/or culturally interact with some very specific species of “magical birds” -hello phoenixes- or they are so obssesed with the arcane they infuse it in simple decorations like a feather. This kind of stuff certainly tells more than some rando filligree patterns (remember the Belf neckace options that aren´t the phoenix? Filligree dear… oh boy now we have two opposite races “sharing” the same damned stuff, so me thinks that no, jewerly IS as meaningless as it comes).
Have you heard the fool me once shame on you fool me twice expression? I ask because I’m bad at expressions like that little sayings, Somand and Lance always have to help me lol I thought it was tomato potato not potato potato or tomato tomato.
Anyways my point is I already subscribed to the “let’s see alliance get something Horde will get something back” theory ask anyone I used to support HE options. What do Blood Elves have to show for it? How well did it go for Blood Elves? I’ve seen more and more of their visual uniqueness lost.
You’re just starting with the smallest thing for NB it sounds like and I don’t like the precedent it sets for NB knowing what I know in terms of a very similar almost parallel situation I stated above.
Unfortunately, the developers opened up a can of worms in the Blood Elf/Void Elf situation that needs not be repeated. Identity and unique visual expression need to be preserved going forward.
By and large, customization is meant to encapsulate a race; the Nightborne represent regal, Highborne style, whereas the Night Elves embraced a style in tune with nature and priesthood. This distinction should be upheld.
Also, if I see the word “filigree” one more time. 
It’s the new “Alleria tattoos” despite Alleria being a special situation / unique character and the Farstrider markings she bears is an organization unique to Blood Elves.
I get your biased and want to support your friend, but yea she’s been anything but constructive homie. sorry not sorry.