And your point is?
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Well clearly you were arguing without reason then.
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I’m not the one acting like it was some questionable act for them to have finally gotten around to doing something that should have happened years ago
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And Mag’har and Orcs are biologically the same thing as well, you still see one denoted by a faction affiliation over a racial one at times.
Blood Elf is not even a race but you don’t call a High Elf a Blood Elf if they’re not a Blood Elf. Just like you don’t call an green-skin Orc a Mag’har despite them being the same race.
Yes you are
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Yes, I mistook what faction of a race a character was when mentioning her, my bad.
The only point I was making there was that I see no lore problem in the addition of a wider range of human skin tones for all races that have them.
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Are you demanding the draenei and night elves get all those skin tones too?
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Excuse me, but “Lightforged” is NOT “unique” Belf stuff… Belves aren´t “lightforged” and anyone trying to sell that BS evidently never consulted the actual lore.
Same as “Felblood”. Fellblood elves were killed by the Belves themselves back in TBC… there may be some aspects of the Felbloodelf model that could be used to differentiate the tattoo designs between Velves and Belves, but literally coming to a Belf fan like myself who is actually invested in the lore with the “but this is the ONLY thing that makes sense to you cause I say so!!! accept or GTFO” is nothing short of gaslighting.
I find especially repugnant the “Lightforged” suggestions cause I´m quite aware of the reasons why people make them… they don´t do so out of actual genuine care, they do so because they NEED to make the Belves this “Velf fiddle” or else. The very description for the Belf race in this webpage says they are a race composed of people that is moderated and people that still uses thye old “risky ways”… implying their customizations don´t have to be “Lightforged only” nor “Felblood only”.
I think I have spoken clearly and concretely to explain the kind of stuff I want to get, the design path the devs can follow to achieve it and the reasons to follow into this lineaments I suggest. I don´t need trolls coming here to tell me they deserve to get Rommath tattoos too and the runic scar of the TBC artbox cause reasons while they try to smmugle HORDE undead elf stuff like the red eyes too while at it, and while they say “the Alleria things for Velves only too!!”.
I don´t think that asking for very BASIC and BAREBONES stuff is “gatekeeping”? Will it kill the Helfers and the Velfers if they can´t use Rommath´s tattoo pattern? Will it kill the Helfers and Velfers if they can´t get the TBC artbox runes on the face, arms and/or legs? Are they so lacking in imagination they can´t FIGURE alternative design ways to make something similar possible like the starcursed stuff, truly?
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So, we gonna argue about how Nightborne and Night Elves are different / the same?
And if so, can we discuss how this sucks and isn’t anatomically possible, and was made fun of back in Vanilla, and asked to be fix back in WoD with the update, but woops, all Horde, and something that was there for 4+ years is apparently suddenly a bug despite being copy pasted from the parent race?
You know, the facial rigging that’s currently being worked on right now?
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I shall consult the lore:
Wow, light theme stuff would be cool!
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I really hope Blizzard can find the time to turn on a second visual theme for BEs that they found for VEs which came at BEs expense.
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I mean considering we have people saying “you took customization from Blood Elves” despite there existing High Elf NPCs on Alliance since Vanilla, I didn’t want any more of “taking dark skins from Blood Elves is another thing these people did” being added on.
Anything ‘high elf’ is rightfully owed to both Blood Elves and Void Elves, that’s how I see it. Hence pointing it out.
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Entirely fair I think.
I do want to be “on record” as saying that I see Farstriders as a purely blood elf thing. Just the reality of life in general and that Alleria has tattoos of that nature leads me to see that as a reasonable request for both. But like I said, I want differentiation for it, and if it has to be one over the other I’ll pick blood elf every day.
I do hope Blood Elves get plenty to give them different options that void elves will not have in the future, just as much as I want new things for void elves.
Most of which is decidedly void influenced not high elf… in fact I think this is the literal last actually high elfish option I’m involved with. Black Hair and White hair, while not quite what I was hoping for, has already been given along with most of the tentacle toggle… I’m not into the braids so much myself, and I’m not into paladins (for Velvets) either. lol
Also fair… and also sad to hear. I imagine the things you’d like to see for Void Elves would be interesting to hear.
I suppose thats also fair.
Wouldn’t be the first time.
Aye. It feels unfair that Blood Elves didn’t get nothing.
Red eyes and dark ranger options would be easy enough, if not exactly what everyone would agree they want for belves.
But like… something would have been nice to see. Blizzard has to know it doesn’t feel good to be a Blood Elf for the most part right now customization wise.
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Sure why not?
Ok? if you don’t like those, that’s fine (also obviously belves would never lightforge). And not you necessarily but anyone who complains, unless they ask for something that can be fully Belf-unique, they can’t demand the high elf subrace/velves who look natural, don’t have it/ask for it.
You know what, it’s over and done with, so I’m not going to argue over whether NPCs matter or not. Just wish some people could get why this upset other people, and not just be judgemental over it.
And that just sound pointless and boring to me, why have the same thing twice when you could have two different options. (and yes, I get that for you, they aren’t the same, I just don’t see it that way and thus to me it adds nothing to the game, and would rather see more unique things than just the same stuff spread out thinner)
Eh, dunno how well they’d look, haven’t seen any mock ups and can’t picture it. My point is more that it wasn’t a priority for Void Elves in the same way they haven’t added it to night elves. They have a different non-human appearance so didn’t need fuller representation of human tones.
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It will have to be because it’s my personal stance 
/ reasoning over pixel elves , I don’t object to void customization additions, and I have tons I am interested in for my VEs but I refuse to contribute to that conversation at this time finding requests on races I feel have been shafted much more important. It’s why I tried to bring up the Pandaren thing I remembered Henitai mention a while back, I really like the idea of the actual neutral race getting stuff to play up the faction conflict!
At the very least I hope they know their failure to match the same energy they gave for fitting VE options that gifted them a second visual theme at the expense of Blood Elves has yet to be matched in return.
I totally get how it could be perceived as such, and if I am wrong I apologize I just didn’t get that vibe at all, thats why I freely quoted it, it kind of threw me off when you thought that had been said towards you, in any case I’ll add that I don’t believe thats what you’re doing or have ever done 
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They didn’t need it, but again, if Blizzard could get away with swapping some textures and do it, and get some internet points for that. They would.
Heck Christie golden was calling people on twitter racists for being against it.
Politics, marketing, you decide.
I´m sorry, but I think a lot of the regulars on the Belf thread including myself have suggested quite unique stuff that is clearly separated from “Alleria / Umbric stuff”. I even took the trouble of going into full research mode to figure out the inspiration in the Belf classic art stuff (the runic language used in the iconic TBC artbox? ridiculously similar to Sanskrit, ergo NOT celtic), precisely to device a way in which both races can get stuff that isn´t a gross copy paste with a limited color palette. I spent a WHOLER freaking afternoon trying to find the language inspiration of Thalassian -thanks to Baal for pointing me in the right direction and Khairan for posting that official concept art image with the Tilak; without that I probably wouldn´t have gone far- so If if find an artis willing to make mockups for myself I can tell him how we can build them.
People there have suggested -with Fallynn and Balesong´s permision cosnidering they are the posters that have invested the most un the San´layn / Dark Ranger stuff- different make up ideas more reminiscent of Sylvanas, they have suggested giving a “Claw of the Phoenix” magical effect to the “feather” decorations so they don´t look like Alleria´s, I´ve suggested using Blood Magic (after all, the Dark Animus is nothing but the very Blood of Titan watcher Ra) for the red eyes and maybe some more complex things like “wings” similar to the Felblood ones, etc.
We have tried SO much, and it´s frustrating to come here to see the usual suspects -in both sides of the fence- trying to perpetuate this “only Belves can get this and taht cause I say so!! BS”… is not funny AT ALL.
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Hopefully Belves get lots of unique stuff.
Wether I play a race or don’t, I like to see characters with lots of possibilities. Makes just going through the character creator super fun.
Orcs are pretty interesting for that reason, even if I’d never play that.
Well I mean look at void elves, they could have done some amazing new stuff with that, but instead they just listened to one small group and shoehorned in the option to be a race (speaking only in game terms not lore as the option you choose in character creation being called race) from the other side so they could try to appease one group who had a very loud and low effort demand.
Well, I mean, for a lot of it she wasn’t wrong.
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