Who knows when darkspear will get another pass. Zandalari are next in terms of allied race customization so we can only hope for them to get beards.
And darkspear should get a uprightish option as well. They don’t need to go full zanda but just something not so bent over that ur belt clips in ur stomach.
the new options for nightborne are okay, but blizzard is still ignoring all the issues with the nightborne model. bugs that have been their since bfa new ones on the ptr and for some reason almost all the new faces have this ugly scowl to them its frustrating because it still feels like blizz ignores any feedback
So any hero from the past isn’t a hero anymore? Come now.
What she did in the past is still important. Hell Lor’themar says its the reason he even entertained her in the first place.
Still don’t see where you can claim they wouldn’t? Just because they haven’t had them doesn’t mean much… Alleria being unique is nice, of course but she doesn’t really lend much credence to the idea.
Its silly to assume that cause of a name change Alleria has somehow changed in the perception of the Blood Elves people.
Now her currently siding with the Alliance and becoming a Void based creature probably didn’t do any favors but the Blood Elves show in their heritage quest that they give reverence to their past.
Shes a hero to both. Just right now shes also their enemy. (except not cause ceasefire…)
Aye.
Though like I said I’d love to see a minor bit of distinction in design there.
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What I’m saying is restricting it cause they haven’t had it before and therefore its not part of their “design or theme” is not useful… There isn’t any good reason they shouldn’t have it.
And this isn’t new from me. I’ve always supported Farstrider style tattoos for both sides.
Yes and I’d bet every one of those you label as “lotr fantasy fans” have also been playing their blood elves sans the option.
I still play my Blood Elves for the fact that they’re where the high elf story went and I’ve always been a fan.
We both know full well that they have, on both sides, been requesting this stuff for ages though. No reason to pretend otherwise. Thats why everyone is so tired of high elf threads…
Cause those particular tattoos are valid for both… Either because one simply has the organization or because the other has the only elf with those tattoos in game right now.
Now like I said I want them to be different between the two but whatever.
What do tattoos have to do with nature? The organization uses them but thats about as close to being about nature as they ever were.
I have no issue with that and you know that.
Hell its why I suggest a difference between the two for farstrider tattoos in the first place.
Keep being loud good sir.
Trolls need some beards darnit.
Just going to point out that you really need to learn how to distinguish the difference between enemies and allies because Fen is a really good person and most of this post from you directed at him seems highly uncalled for.
I’m pretty much going to only be wearing glasses on pretty much every character from now on.
seeing a farstrider tattoo on a blood elf(high elf) means they serve(d) in a very specific organization. they mean something to the farstriders they are service related tattoos or even marks of honor. they could mean anything from kills or achievements. their permanent reminders of good/bad times
ultimately, its culture appropriation from the blood elves. literally tattoos using symbols and elements taken from their culture by individuals who have no clue what they mean because they never served as a farstrider. and i say that last bit as a matter of fact because farstriders ARE intimately bound to the wildlands. there is no way a nature loving farstrider is going to seek out the void elves
the line is when someone copies the exact cultural and traditional symbols of tattoos. i would consider farstrider tattoos tribal like. and tribal tattoos should only be done by members of the culture and tradition of that ‘tribe’, and no one else
like i said void elves have as much right to represent this as blood elves the void aesthetic, alleria should be updated and the easter egg option is there. now we can make them distinct
The glasses are nice. I started incorporating them into a few outfits, but I probably won’t use them on most. Still it’s great having the option to!
Nope High elves are not blood elves. No strawman needed simple facts.
Blood elves changed their names, customs and style. And they have never portrayed with the old tattoos/paint.
I know you showed a hunter icon, of a belf wearing camouflage, for he camouflage ability. Which is the most you can show for anything similar in Blood elf culture, so not really convincing. Otherwise Blizz has always depicted the blood elves going through a big stylistic evolution.
Too bad their own players want to live in the past for some reason.
Velves meanwhile, definitely not Blood elves at all now, but at least have a reason to emulate the never changed Alleria and other High elven stuff preserved by the ones who continued being high elves and are now their friends.
then they dont need to steal anything more from blood elves
and yet they dont
orcs neved tatted/warpainted it up either because it wasnt an option with wows ancient character creator until shadowlands 
your logic
it says they are here too even before you can log into the game 
It’s such a shame too. That face with the freckles would actually be really handsome without the awful scowl. Both NE and NB need their lips fixed
I personally don´t want the same art design from your famous NPC, I think Blizzard artist can do better than to continue the copy-pasting game.
Fen very kindly posted art features a friend of us in the Belf thread very kindly did -using the current Horde races´warpaint inspirations-. You guys feel free to keep your cute puny little color line on the eye and any iteration of that; for the Belves I rather get something more robust, more in line with the “savage” feel of the Horde (after all, they are the race that has had to deal with the gruff Horde races for a decade or longer, something probably has rubbed on them).
WC3 alpha had the Farstrider units with the literal same tattoos of WC2 ranger units, just colored in red, lul. Also, as I mentioned above, sure they can get a different aesthetic like the examples kindly done by the poster Izzabelle using the current Orc and Troll warpaint options. It fits perfectly precisely because that design is more “Hordish”, and the toons look waaay more menacing -which is something that seems quite the requirement as far as the Horde lore is concerned-.
The bonus is that with that prerrogative, both races get the chance to access a bigger color palette than “CoPy ThE aRt AnD LiMiT tHe CoLoRs” BS. If a Velf player wants to use yellow, let him. If a Belf player wants to use blue, let him (ffs, the Frostwolf clan´s tabard is BLUE… this color of warpaint for the regular Orcs should be implemented yesterday, period).
The Sunwell Trilogy manga retconned this -also reforged is basically updating the art features of WC3, ergo… limited by the same color palette as the original.
Also, letme remind you turquiose -a shade of blue- is pretty much part of the Icon of Blood so… sorry not sorry, nothing in the acanon lore establishes the Belves -who didn´t even had enough to eat as per “Blood of the Highborne” decided to make a complete makeover paintjob for the lols.
Let´s leave this kind of headcanon BS out of the discussion, ne?
The key word is “special units”.
Under this premise Orcs shouldn´t had gotten scars considering Thrall was scarless as of… right now. And Humans shouldn´t had gotten make up, etc.
I´m pretty sure you guys won´t want to play the “muh special unit!!” game… precisely cause that game removes a TON of potential stuff for you people, starting with the runic tattoos (cause we have TWO sources of official art for those, Rommath AND the tbc artbox… you? ZERO.
How did this pass went for you guys as far as color palette is concerned, again?
Believe me, the less we ask, the less we will get. I believed you people had learned the lesson.
The design, it´s literally inspired in different languages (I´m not sure and I´ve procrastinated about asking Metzen in twitter, but I suspect the language on the rune on the TBC artbox may be something “inspired” in Eltharin. I´m not sure what is the language or symbol system that inspired the N´zoth rune stuff though).
Dear, considering Alleria is the ONLY toon using them -none of the other Helf NPCs, not even Veeresa- has it, we could say it´s basically an Alleria only thing and guess what? We both get screwed!!!
I repeat, the less we play the “muh faction exclusive NPC” game, the better.
Also, you and Magni are blind cause that “Survival” hunter icon? Yeah gals, two-thirds of the face are painted (let´s be even more frank: the “Farstrider tattoos” aren´t such, that is glorified warpaint.
You are welcome, Fen. XDXDXD
But let´s be real: Magnificent for some reason wants the literal same art design used in Alleria -why? no idea. As a dirty Belf fangirl, I vastly prefer the mockups done by Izzabelle, I think those give a more rugged and menacing vibe to the Belves -and after the serial jokes that relegated them to airheaded barbies, yeah, I think i want an actual semi decent and NOT mysoginistic portrayal for my favorite race for once!!!.
It’s a new day so friendly reminder to give Blood elves red eyes
And the whitish gray skintone and the freaking tiara toggle!! We can wait for a future customization for more robust stuff like the runic scarifications, the magical feathers, the warpaint, etc.
But these 3 tiny things could and SHOULD happen ASAP considering time devoted for the Belf pass was used on Velf stuff, period.
Yes! I made a thread about this and I’m sad that it died, lol.
I tried but maybe not hard enough? To not let it die?
I guess the lack of “controversy” in a way made it get loss in the sea of “muh Silvermuun!!!” BS troll threads. Cause oh boy, how much people wasted time on those -and then they ask why am I not “nice” to those people on the Belf thread, ffs.
Frankly, I rather we get a “troll free” space in there.
Lol, I remember that, I posted in it to follow it then it was gone.
Drama does keep a lot of threads alive, I hate saying that but it’s the truth. Lol.
That wasn´t even drama, it was literally a poor attempt at emulating the-one-that-should-not-be-named.
How did you come to that conclusion? VEs got nothing unique - everything they’ve gotten since their release has been from BEs, except two unique eye colours.
Yes, and since hunter has been available for Void Elves from the start and they’ve had their Umbral Rangers its very possible that some were Farstriders before leaving with Umbric.
People do things for all sorts of reasons.
Beyond that its still likely that void elves would adopt one of their leaders tattoos styles. They may even have their own meanings behind doing so.
I get what you’re saying, its a Farstrider thing a blood elf thing, but honestly Alleria is a big thing. A hero to both high elves and blood elves and now void elves. People will, as they do in real life, imitate her at the very least.
And given that farstriders are an elite cultural thing for Blood Elves and void elves came from them it wouldn’t be odd for them to take the elite meaning of those tattoos as well for their own cause.
And again like I said, they can adopt only the weird small version Alleria now has… Apparently at some point she changed her tattoos after all… in WCII she had the braveheart kind.
This. 
Izzabelle is a wondrous person. I’m so happy she was able to bring those ideas forward.
And yeah I’d love to see the more harsh braveheart style for the blood elves over Alleria’s (which are cool on their own) small wavy lines.
Red, amber, orange and pink for good measure.
Precisely my man, you guys got nothing unique cause massively upvoted threads whose OP read “I want copy-pasted Belf stuff” is embarrasing low hanging fruit to give a designer (people literally gave them the benefit of the doubt with that premise).
Ergo, why for the especific case of the warpaint -frankly, I think it´s silly to call it “Farstrider tattoos”- I vouch for different designs, so both races don´t get AGAIN the hand-me-downs of the other.
Is too why I personally don´t want Velf haircuts either. I rather desire some modicum of aesthetical difference between both races, not the same things with the added insult to injury of them being limited in colors too!!!
I´ve seen you guys have an idea on how both the warpaint and the runic stuff can work on the Velves, we too are -or at least I am- trying to figure out different designs.
Also: denouncing facts si not entitlement. and the Velves got a mini-pass during the core pass (FACT), period.
Do you think we are “entitled” for asking to get AVAILABLE (the stuff already exist btw, is simply not accesible to the players) an eye color, a skin tone and a toggle? really?