Just another stupid thing in the crafting area. Who wants to justify this one?
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The whole system is convoluted but then again one more season of it. Hopefully they overhaul it next expac.
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Oh they aren’t? Lmao. Thank god I never even bothered trying to recraft my Lariat.
They put C block stuff like this in Retail all the time. It’s why it’s so boring and not replayable.
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Because… with public order’s you can’t specify quality. So you could put a rank 4 item into the public queue. Hoping someone will Recraft it to rank 5. Then Mr LateProfLeveler ™ comes along and snags your order for the skill upgrade. He can’t craft anything but… rank 1, and he recrafts your public order. Oopsie, doopsie. You check your mailbox and instead of finding a rank 5, you see a new shiny rank 1!
Much forum anger and venting would be generated…
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Blizzard has this weird thing where they made public orders unusable for most things because they think that having that awkward interaction where you whisper a crafter and ask how much they charge and they say some insane amount plus required tip so you move to the next person only to find out they’re lying about being able to craft it at the appropriate skill level is super important for some reason.
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That should change. And they need to go back to requiring all mats. And they need to be region wide.
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I know you can ask for rank when you advertise in chat, but can you guarantee you will get the rank you ask for?
Someone advertised for a recraft of an item that I answered, but when they spoke to me they indicated it had a couple of Optional Reagents, which reduced it down below the level of my crafting ability, meaning it wasn’t guaranteed to be a 5. So…would that not happen if someone just took the order and the person didnt get the R5?
Something about insights and proc or something. This whole system is still confusing as f for me.
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because you are putting a piece of gear you often are still using in there to upgrade - do you want to wait 6 hours for an upgrade? secondly, recrafting can reduce the quality - do you want to go a 2 ranks lower ?
They should all be public and cross realm.
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Yes if you send a personal order you can specify the rank that you want the item to be.
Some times this will require the crafter to use an Insight to get the required sill to craft at that level. Crafters will often charge for the Insght if it is required.
On my tailor I don’t need an Insight to craft the Vibrant Shawl to Rank 5 unless the person sending the order has submitted it with an Embellishment along with a Missive.
I have used Insights in public orders to get to Rank 5 if all the mats are in the order and they have added a tip. I have ~100 Insights to use so for me burning an Insight for a 500g tip is fine.
If the order is in your queue and you accept it, but don’t have the ability to add an Insight or you don’t have the points into that specialty to make the requested Level you can’t finish the order and return it at a lowered quality. You would just have to return it. Or… some people will hold onto the order until it times out and is automatically returned to the sender.
Because they don’t want you to go from a 4 star down to a 1 star because someone without the correct skill level picked it up.
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How is that not possible on a private order to someone in chat who says they can do it? It’s the same thing it just requires a lie. How about they just make it that if the person can’t make that level…they can’t take the order…or make it that you can actually pick the item level for the original order. The current system only makes sense because of the idiotic things they did with the roll the dice see what level you get and do it over and over ideas.
There are ways they could make this work by tweaking the system.
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There isn’t any way for crafters to link the skill point trees in chat so folks could check where the talents are put. Which is what you’d have to do to allow validation.
While they crafter can “lie” to get you to submit the order, on a personal order, they can’t click the craft button if they can’t make the requested quality level. They can start it, but they can’t complete it. So they’d have to return it. That would happen in cases where they’d accept the order, and even with an Insight wouldn’t be able to get the requested rank.
At least that is my understanding.
But I also haven’t spent a lot of time using the system and have only done personal orders for my alts.
Wouldn’t that be the same for a public order though?
Just seems like currently there are reasons why they did it this way…and all of them could easily be fixed if they wanted to. They control the whole game, they can change any of this they want.
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Then we’ll get people whining that their recraft wasn’t an upgrade.
Definitely this.
What’s really frustrating is that Blizzard even made a mandatory quest chain where YOU (the player) have to EXPLAIN this to an NPC.
And people still don’t understand.
But…don’t you have to put your item up to be recrafted?
How could they do that via the public order system? Does it sit there for however long someone chooses to take and leave it sitting there? So if its a weapon, you have no weapon for an hour or two…or ten?
You wouldn’t need to set item quality, all they need to do is implement coding that keeps your item quality from droping. I would rather reforge an item 5 times to get it right than have to level 3 alts just to equip my main with proper gear. Most of us who don’t have 10 alts or a large guild would agree. If this doesn’t affect you than don’t gaslight us with easily refutable rhetoric. Why would they implement a system where your gear maintains skill points every time you recraft, based on ingredient quality, if they don’t even allow public recraft? This system that they spent valuable time on, serves absolutely nobody, no one, 0 people. Why!? Because those recrafting (most of us can’t) can already set item quality. So it’s useless. And don’t say that public work orders are for people who don’t care about item quality, there isn’t a single player in wow who doesn’t care about item level. We all do, some of us are just lock out. Again, if your not one of us, than mind your own business because this doesn’t affect you. Making the small, simple, minor change I mentioned earlier would…
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fix the problem with the lack of existing public work orders
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Allow people who aren’t in large guilds or have a ton of alts to actually use crafted gear
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Make use of innate skill scaling system of the item, which is currently, absolutely useless.
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Keep subscribers
The solution is very simple and obvious. And telling us it can’t be done (a lie) just because the team is trying push Ian’s "idea of socializing " onto the market system isn’t productive and only generates spite. It’s not socializing to spam trade without a response. Unless you’re lucky enough to get a response (I have not yet, in a year and a half) then you’ll be just be haggling, again not socializing. That’s no way yo keep your legacy players nor recruit new younger players. Ian Hazzikostas dream of spamchat shows he has little understanding of the majority of the player base and of basic human social dynamics. Blizzard, this isn’t complicated and the solution is very simple.
Please fix the game, nobody cares about mediocre Fortnight, I mean, Plunder Storm. Make the actual WoW game better and that’s how you’ll get newer players and keep the old.
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We understand, we understand that it was a poorly implemented based on Ian Hazzikostas unrealistic expectations of what he considers “socializing”. It’s obvious, by your comment that this doesn’t affect you.
So please don’t gaslight us and tell us our complaints aren’t valid and the solutions aren’t simple. If you’re not going to bring anything constructive (or new) to the conversation, then please don’t participate only to run interference. If you don’t want the rest of us to have the same gear quality, just say so. Don’t disguise your intention with “they intended it that way”. We know it was designed to suck and was never going to work. Tell us something we don’t know. You claim we don’t understand, but you’re the one who seems not to understand. It doesn’t take a genius to do so, try.
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